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Kaneman! said:
The major issue here is that Nintendo doesn't offer a product that's NOT portable. So, for people who want a home console, the product is expensive, because they get a fraction of the "standard" console power for the full price.

they sell the whole product, if you don't want a part of the product then that's something that as a consumer you should think and say "well, I just want a home console, so which company offers the best home console" and go for the one that offers what you consider valuable for your money. But you can't expect it to be cheaper because you're not interested in the whole product. If I buy a hot dog the hot dog man is going to sell me the whole thing even if I don't want the bun.



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onionberry said:
potato_hamster said:

Sony actually throught people wanted a ~$800 machine, but didn't think anyone would pay ~$800 for it. Sony initially sold the PS3 at a loss, and not just a small loss, a big loss (rumored to be around $200 per unit). So if people were to take your stance at a time, Sony was doing people a huge favor by selling a device valued at $800 for *only* $600, and we're not even counting the cost of the R&D and development of the PS3, which was probably the most expensive console to develop ever at that point.

But people looked at all of those features, that blu-ray drive, that 8-core CELL processor, that whopping 256 MB of RAM, and decided en-masse, that the Xbox 360, with its cheaper price tag, with its better graphics, and with its much larger game library that ran better (it came out a year earlier remember) was a better deal. They decided that those features weren't worth $600 to them when they could get a better experience (for them) for cheaper. So they didn't buy the PS3 at $600 and complained about its price, even though Sony was selling it at a loss, and bought the Xbox 360 inteasd.

Now of course, you must think those people were being totally unreasonable, right?

no, you seem to offensive. The whole thread, right there you can read the original post. I have been saying that people who wants the value of the ps4 or xbox one are not wrong because if that's what they want then that's the best offer for them, that's the value that they are looking for, but switch offers a differen value and is a different product than the ps4 and xbox one, so you can't say that it should be cheaper because the ps4 and xbox one are $299.99 when the switch is giving you other characteristics that cost money to manufacture.

Also your little example... the xbox 360 and ps3 were the same product and same form factor, if I can buy a cheaper console with better games and better performance for third party game I'm not going to buy a $600 machine. If sony had a hybrid console for $250 or $200 with more power/performance then guess what? Nintendo would be in trouble. 

You refuse to understand. The features that make the switch different must be valuable to prospective buyers, otherwise the cost it adds to the product doesn't match the value of the product to those who don't find those differentiating features valuable.

Let me put you an example.

Let's say the Switch costs $299 instead of $199 because Nintendo made it portable.  There are millions people that would buy the Switch at $199, but refuse to pay a dime more for it, because they don't care about the fact that it's portable. They never intend on using that feature. It might as well not be there because it's uesless to them. Are those people wrong for not caring about the portability of the Switch? No of course not. They would rather Nintendo offer a switch that wasn't portable for $199 than spend $299 on a feature they would never use. But htere isn't one. All there is is that $299 unit. But hey, there's a PS4 over there that also isn't portable (bute they dont care about that) that is far more powerful, has far more games, and is cheaper. Sounds like a better deal to them rather than wasting money on a feature they don't care about. No amount of explanation about how much it cost to implement the portability features of the switch is going to matter because its a useless feature to them. Those people aren't wrong for thinking that way.



onionberry said:
Kaneman! said:
The major issue here is that Nintendo doesn't offer a product that's NOT portable. So, for people who want a home console, the product is expensive, because they get a fraction of the "standard" console power for the full price.

they sell the whole product, if you don't want a part of the product then that's something that as a consumer you should think and say "well, I just want a home console, so which company offers the best home console" and go for the one that offers what you consider valuable for your money. But you can't expect it to be cheaper because you're not interested in the whole product. If I buy a hot dog the hot dog man is going to sell me the whole thing even if I don't want the bun.

Yes, I agree about that. That's not what I was saying, though. As a home console, it has an expensive price point - but it isn't a home console per se, so people looking for that are likely going to turn away from it. The issue here is, the people would like to play Nintendo IPs NEED to buy this semi-portable product, because there is no pure home console available.

Just an observation, not trying to influence the opinion of anyone.



It's kinda pointless to argue about this.

It really depends on what you want to do with it and what features you see being worth. Telling Nintendo they are too expensive, because you don't care about all the other features is not the way to go. They cannot publish 1000 of different bundles to fit everyone's taste. If you want to use a hybrid console solely as a home console, than that's your problem. Take it or leave it.



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Kaneman! said:
onionberry said:

they sell the whole product, if you don't want a part of the product then that's something that as a consumer you should think and say "well, I just want a home console, so which company offers the best home console" and go for the one that offers what you consider valuable for your money. But you can't expect it to be cheaper because you're not interested in the whole product. If I buy a hot dog the hot dog man is going to sell me the whole thing even if I don't want the bun.

Yes, I agree about that. That's not what I was saying, though. As a home console, it has an expensive price point - but it isn't a home console per se, so people looking for that are likely going to turn away from it. The issue here is, the people would like to play Nintendo IPs NEED to buy this semi-portable product, because there is no pure home console available.

Just an observation, not trying to influence the opinion of anyone.

well yeah that's a situation that I see a lot and I can't critize people who are mad because they don't want a nintendo console but they need to buy one because of a few games, and hopefully with the switch Nintendo is going to mimic the 3ds and offer a great quantity of games to justify the console.



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Eh, I'll wait for a price cut.



bigtakilla said:
Eh, I'll wait for a price cut.

that's smart, I would do the same thing but... I'm a zelda zombie.



onionberry said:
bigtakilla said:
Eh, I'll wait for a price cut.

that's smart, I would do the same thing but... I'm a zelda zombie.

Yeah, I got a Wii U so may pick it up then, or I may just wait... Either way. I'm a Xeno Xombie and I'll probably even wait after Xeno drops. Though it is a bit easier when the game.... Well let's just say doesn't look to be the best in the series.



Look. The issue is pretty straightforward for me. I will have to pay 400 euros for a switch and a game to be able to have it day one. That is simply to much considering I also game on my PS4/3/Vita, 3DS and PC, so its not only a money but also time constraint. When I can buy the thing with Mario for 300 euros, I will probably take the bait, but until then the price of entry for what it offers is to damn high.



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hunter_alien said:
Look. The issue is pretty straightforward for me. I will have to pay 400 euros for a switch and a game to be able to have it day one. That is simply to much considering I also game on my PS4/3/Vita, 3DS and PC, so its not only a money but also time constraint. When I can buy the thing with Mario for 300 euros, I will probably take the bait, but until then the price of entry for what it offers is to damn high.

if you read the thread you can see that I'm talking about the price in the united states because the situations is different for a lot of places.