You know already how many games will use these features compared to the the Dualshock 4? 

Well... ok.

And let me be clear, I haven't once called you nor implied that you are an illogical fanboy. But I'll say that you are pretty agressive in the way you express your point of view, making me think that investing time into trying to make you see things from an other point of view may very well end up being an exercise in futility. If I'm wrong about that, cool. But I prefer to go the "agree to disagree" route, as stated earlier.

I don't need random people on the Internet telling me what I should think of this product.

well theres less games on the switch anyways. the better question is which manufacturer uses it better. thats nintendo. and when is better battery or build quality important? all the time. I did so because you were wrong, plain and simply. You said something along the lines of "no matter how much you think the tech in the pro is the greatest ever its not up to industry standards(price wise)". its a dumb comment, if PLaystation cane out with the sane thing for 60 id praise them. The ds4 isnt comparable to tge pro, the pro is better. you have alluded to fanboyism multiple times, you dont need to play that game. 

If you think a ds4 is the best thing ever, then go ahead and keep praising it(see how this stupid argument can be used against you too). 

I haven't once praised the DS4... 

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that was my point. Just like how you seem to be thinking i'm praising the epicness of the Pro controller(when i'm really just saying it's a fair value...cause it is) for no reason, I could easily say "Well you're just praising the pricing of the DS4". Honestly, it's like you don't even understand your own arguments. 

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I'm just casually sitting here wondering how a controller not even released yet is without a doubt better. It could be better. It could also be recalled multiple times and suck. You don't really help yourself in a conversation when you make assumed statements throughout your argument with literally no information to back it up.

Gyro is better quality? How do you know. It could literally be the exact same gyro component in both controllers. Hell it could be a cheaper one you literally have no clue.

Used more/better? Combination again of opinion and literally foresight you have no knowledge of

HD rumble being better than the DS4: Again the controller is not on the market and they only showcased this in the joycons. You have no idea if this true or not. Could be, but speaking in absolute fact on the matter defeats your entire argument.

Better build? Again its never even been in your hands. You've not broken the controller down to see the quality of its components. You've not done endurance and wear tests on it to determine its longevity.

All you did was spout a bunch of opinions that may or may not be true that you have no way of actually knowing and you attempt to pass it along as factual platitudes.

But you have been praising the Pro Controller. How could "praising the DS4" also be used against me...

It's a better value because you say so. You haven't used the controllers, and you have no idea what are the costs to manufacture those controllers. I already made that point. But they're better value. The DS4 comes with a few features that aren't in other controllers, but that's bad and not good value because "barely any games use those", etc...

My point is that the controller is priced high compared to any other controllers on the market. My point also states that Nintendo is pricing everything higher than what's usually the industry standard. Those peripherals, no matter what you feel about their value, are expensive. When people mention how the other controllers include this or that feature, you dismiss them without any regard to their validity on the ground that what's in Nintendo's tech is new and hasn't been included in a controller before, or that their controllers have better build quality, or that said included features in the other brand's controllers are barely used... Without even knowing how much they actually cost to manufacture. If Nintendo's peripherals always have better build quality, why have they always managed to sell them competitively before? Shouldn't they have always been sold for a premium compared to the other manufacturers?

When you consider the charging pack for the Joy-Cons and the Switch stand prices, it doesn't take more to realize that Nintendo is being greedy with the Switch. 

Now, if you're going to reply to this, I invite you to leave the empty insults out.

It's more so an educated guess though. 

Gyro is pretty obvious. the controller is used to play games like Splatoon 2. splatoon was amazingly successful, and it's clear Nintendo understands the need for gyro controls for some players in Splatoon. Having gyro controls worse than DS4, or on par, would be sub optimal. 

HD Rumble : I have heard two things from people who demoed the switch in new york. One is that HD rumble is the real deal. The second is that HD rumble didn't work for some games but worked for  the demos. this can mean two things. one : the people saying HD rumble doesn't work are like the people saying the 3d doesn't work on the 3ds, they're a bit tone deaf. two : some games are optimized around it. Considering that only a few games even need the feature, I won't mind if only a few games use it properly. That would be perfectly fine. Also, I don't know why you think the HD rumble is "better" than the DS4. I don't care enough about the HD rumble to use it as a huge point against the DS4. THe Ds4 doesn't even have HD rumble as far as i'm aware. 

Better build is obvious, Nintendo is known for the build quality. Quite frankily Nintendo could take the cheapest material and make it just as strong as the competitions expensive material. How the control is built is mostlys subjective(as in the shape). Which is most durable...that's practically guaranteed. I'll get back to you in June and tell you if the Pro Controller has a ruined thumbstick and other malfunctions. 

They're not opinions, educated guesses. Just like you do in science. Don't understand the hate. Do people really want to drive the narrative that the Pro is so overpriced just so that they can hate on Nintendo? What is the point in arguing this? It is almost entirely obvious. The only reason i'm saying it isn't definitive is because I don't have it in my hands right now. If I did I could guarantee it. Why should I wat 3 months and spend 370$ just to prove a point to someone? 

If you want me to just shut up and not have any opinion on the price of the product, i'll do so. But then other users should to until the actual controller comes out. After all, it could be the best thing since the Playstation 1. 

Of course. The reason why people like me are "driving the narrative that the Pro is overpriced" is so we can hate on Nintendo... 


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If I insulted you i'm sorry. The real reason I look "angry" is because A)I have to keep up with my name and B) You basically hinted at multiple times me being a fanboy. Let me ask you this, if defending the price of one accessory from nintendo should make it seem like i'm a fanboy, should hating on that pricing make you seem like a sony pony? 

The rest of the stuff you said is a bit uneducated. You can say all you want that my opinion is less valid because I don't have the controller. Do you want me to pay 370$ to prove you wrong? That seems a bit ridiculous. It's called an educated guess. The Gamepad had amazing gyro controls, and we know that Nintendo made the Pro controller around games like splatoon, at least partially. We also know Nintendo has a fantastic track record with durability. The features of the Dualschock 4 are less important because they are generally more "throw away features". For example, if the Pro had a speaker and it only worked for a couple of games, how many people do you think would care about it? Now, if the Pro had the best gyro ever, how many people would care about it? A lot!! It's a much more important feature to a CONTROLLER, which allows you to control the game, than a speaker which is of little use. If you like the DS4 gimmicks, i'm sorry. That is cool for you. But to me, the Pro controller offers things that, based on what we know and Nintendo's track record, are more likely to accomadate gameplay across multiple titles, rather than a speaker or a light. 

I think this point is a bit unfair. Again, the DS4 features are less important because they don't change the gameplay experience like gyro does, they don't extend life into a controller like battery life or durabillity does, etc. The reality is, if the Pro is a better controller, FROM WHAT WE KNOW and what we can guess based on Nintendo's track record, than it being priced better than Sony's controller only makese sense. 

"Without even knowing how much they actually cost to manufacture. "

With all do respect, that hardly matters. if The dualshock 4 costs 20$ to produce and Sony sells it for 48$, then the Pro controller probably takes 30$ to produce and they sell it for 70$. It doesn't matter how much more expensive it is to produce, because Nintendo is selling the products on the grounds of their competitions own evaluation of what there products sell for. A good example, if a pen is sold that can be used 50 million times without running out of ink, and it costs 10$ to make and is put on the market for 20$, then a pen that can be used 100 million times and is produced for 13$ is going to sell for 40$. It does not matter how much more expensive it is than the competition in regards to the actual cost to manufactur it, because of Nintendo only sold it at the price it costs to make, they wouldn't make a profit.  

"When you consider the charging pack for the Joy-Cons and the Switch stand prices, it doesn't take more to realize that Nintendo is being greedy with the Switch. "

yes, and I never denied that. Again, one product I find worth it, others I don't.