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In another thread, I said that I didn't see Nintendo fans being overly emotional or whatever. I'd like to take that back. Wow! Some of the posts here...

I actually like Nintendo quite a bit. I'm also a recently converted fan of Jim Sterling. I look forward to his videos nowadays. The video was good. His complaints were valid. I'll judge for myself in a couple of months but, for better or worse, it's Nintendo.



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eh he had better videos. Basically you could turn off after 5 minutes, because he's repeating himself over and over. There were more things wrong he could talk about instead.



Goodnightmoon said:

Sorry but I just hate that kind of fallacy, to pretend that someone has no credibility because it happens to like something is just wrong, this guy is super down to earth and reasonable it deserves to be listen and not judged for the games behind him.

Of course some thing cannot be spinned and of course there are problems, but Jim was unreasonable in a bunch of points, and it may be his character instead of his person but his characters is supposed to be dead serious when talking about this kind of criticism and people take his word about it like it was dead serious, and some of the criticism is hyperbolic, nitpicking or based on assumptions.

In any case that video was not made to discredit him but to give other perspective to the most questionable arguments. I also listened to Total Biscuit analysis and I agree with 90% of what he said, way more than with Jim this time tbh.

It's not even a fallacy. I just explained to you that there can be different sources of information from parties that are for something and those that are neutral or even undecided. I also told you that I listened to all 3 gents videos with their own points and pov's in general. All I was trying to say is that it doesn't do one's pov justice, when all they are going to do is link a soruce that favors their own side more than the side of being neutral, or at elast trying to stay in the middle, you know for those like me who are deciding on getting the device?.

I've already heard what people, who are already sold and even pre-ordered the Switch think of it. That kind of done and dusted, decided information doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't present a clearer picture to me at all. It just tells me that 1. A guy is a fan of what he loves and 2. They are damn well going to argue in favor of what they love more so than they would with the faults, or at elast to a degree where they argue that there are way more pros than cons, basically going back to just higher praise, something that really doesn't help someone like me at all in deciding to buy it or not.

 

Saying Jim is being "unreasonable " may as well have you labeling me and everyone else having shared issues as being "silly" and wholly "unreasonable". it's so easy at the end of the day to be sold on something and to argue for it, to dismantle the undecided opinions or those who never intended to first, than towards ones own opinion. It's far easier to just say I'm unreasonable, that I should "get with the program" and get with your pov, than for you to understand mine. That's where things start to deteriorate, because people like me who are undecided are being labeled as "unreasonable" or "Silly" before we've even come to a decision, and yet the fans, the ones sold on the device, the ones who bought it before it's even released are somehow the right ones, the ones full of righteous wisdom and unbiased clarity. 

 

Let me tell you that people who follow that chap you linked, take his word for what he says and slag off Jim regardless, so really if anything, he ahs his own little follwers that take his word for gospel, thus making him no different, besides the way he talks and acts (and displays his clear liking for a particular console above others). #

 

I never said his video was to discredit Jim's, but his general stance is to basically disable what Jim has already said, to turn things around in a more favored viewpoint. Like he did with his Borderlands 3 Switch video for example (even though we all hate Randy's guts regardless). What are the chances of you ever agreeing with Jim in the future btw?, because if you dislike what he's saying about Nintendo, then chances are you won't want to listen to him in the future (hopefully not listening to the times he slags off the other companies and agreeing with those points, but disagreeing with just the Nintendo points, because that would tell another story altogether).



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The initial low price of their online services won't change my mind about it. So what if starts at 30 or 40? It will get higher with time and "catch up" with the competition. Nintendo fucked up, plain and simple.



d21lewis said:

In another thread, I said that I didn't see Nintendo fans being overly emotional or whatever. I'd like to take that back. Wow! Some of the posts here...

I actually like Nintendo quite a bit. I'm also a recently converted fan of Jim Sterling. I look forward to his videos nowadays. The video was good. His complaints were valid. I'll judge for myself in a couple of months but, for better or worse, it's Nintendo.

Well tbf, I can't blame them. For years they have had it ragged on them for not joining the other two consoles and what they were doing, but the industry really doesn't need 3 consoles that all act and fofer the same of everything, yet one or both of the other two console followings want that to happen, so really you've got one side who wants things as they are and the other who want them to change and be more like what they already buy into.

I don't really want Nintendo to become an exact replica of the other two consoles, but at the same time I really, really don't like them adopting the same practices as the other two and executing them so badly. Fans need to realize that people will always have issues with their fave company's offerings or general output, but they have to also accept that some people want just a bitch of change to get them on board. I'm totally fine with the base price of the unit itself, but I have major issues with the quality output, the lineup, the online and the peripheral prices as well as game prices to boot.



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Goodnightmoon said:

Pretty on point rebuttal


https://www.youtube.com/watsXHpRBn4I

I didn't know this guy, but that was a well-grounded rebuttal. I pretty much agree with him. Tbh, I love Jim videos, but I watch them as a show. I have to distinguish between the "thank God for me" Jim and the grounded, thoughtful Jim, which sometimes... is a bit hard. So that kind of devaluates his points, which sometimes are pretty valid, other times is just for show. He wrote today on TW how the Mario/Sonic 06 comparison was not to taken seriously, for example. And I don't think he meant to seriously label people who play 1,2 Switch assholes tbh. That's just his character. 

Oh, and I totally agree with you that a die-hard Nintendo fan can make very good points about Nintendo stuff without being biased. I'd take it as a personal offense that someone thought that I can't think by myself when it comes to Nintendo. They did some shitty stuff, and most of us acknowledge that. If the argument is valid and thoughtful, that's it.



To be fair, I think Jim is on point with most of this.

As of now, Nintendo's paid online plans and the accessory prices for Switch are just horrible, and 1-2 Switch might just be the single most cringe-worthy thing they've ever created.

On the other hand, I do think they got a fair bit right as well; having Zelda at launch, Splatoon 2 in the system's first year, and making the true Mario 64 sequel fans have been waiting for since the 90s, for instance.

It's all a very mixed bag.



curl-6 said:

To be fair, I think Jim is on point with most of this.

As of now, Nintendo's paid online plans and the accessory prices for Switch are just horrible, and 1-2 Switch might just be the single most cringe-worthy thing they've ever created.

On the other hand, I do think they got a fair bit right as well; having Zelda at launch, Splatoon 2 in the system's first year, and making the true Mario 64 sequel fans have been waiting for since the 90s, for instance.

It's all a very mixed bag.

Paid online is by far the biggest issue. But, to be honest, we don't know anything about it. Yep, that awful "rent the game for a month" thing. But maybe we don't have to pay as much as 5€ a month. I prefer to wait and make my mind about it. Accesories are overpriced, but I can live with it (10€ probably more than the competition is... not good, but I can live with it). I think that if Nintendo now decides to make a decent online service at a reasonable price, a lot of the criticism will vanish.



Volterra_90 said:
curl-6 said:

To be fair, I think Jim is on point with most of this.

As of now, Nintendo's paid online plans and the accessory prices for Switch are just horrible, and 1-2 Switch might just be the single most cringe-worthy thing they've ever created.

On the other hand, I do think they got a fair bit right as well; having Zelda at launch, Splatoon 2 in the system's first year, and making the true Mario 64 sequel fans have been waiting for since the 90s, for instance.

It's all a very mixed bag.

Paid online is by far the biggest issue. But, to be honest, we don't know anything about it. Yep, that awful "rent the game for a month" thing. But maybe we don't have to pay as much as 5€ a month. I prefer to wait and make my mind about it. Accesories are overpriced, but I can live with it (10€ probably more than the competition is... not good, but I can live with it). I think that if Nintendo now decides to make a decent online service at a reasonable price, a lot of the criticism will vanish.

With the whole "rent an NES ROM for a month" and "download a smartphone app to use chat" debacle, they're not off to a great start. I just don't understand why it's apparently so hard for Nintendo to do the things Sony and Microsoft do with ease, like making a competitive online service.



curl-6 said:
Volterra_90 said:

Paid online is by far the biggest issue. But, to be honest, we don't know anything about it. Yep, that awful "rent the game for a month" thing. But maybe we don't have to pay as much as 5€ a month. I prefer to wait and make my mind about it. Accesories are overpriced, but I can live with it (10€ probably more than the competition is... not good, but I can live with it). I think that if Nintendo now decides to make a decent online service at a reasonable price, a lot of the criticism will vanish.

With the whole "rent an NES ROM for a month" and "download a smartphone app to use chat" debacle, they're not off to a great start. I just don't understand why it's apparently so hard for Nintendo to do the things Sony and Microsoft do with ease, like making a competitive online service.

I can't deny it doesn't so good. But the smartphone app to use voice chat sounds so ridiculuos that I'll only believe it when more details are coming. Because it doesn't make sense to play with the Switch and using the app at the same time. Poor wording maybe? I hope so. Same applies to the renting. They could easily offer the same online service, with the same price as the competition and they could have got away with it, even if paid online sucks anyway. That's why I think something's off and I prefer to wait to see all the details.