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ICStats on 16 January 2017
L_ said:

Microsoft has performed the weakest this generation out of the big 3. Sony with a combined sales total of PS4 consoles and PS Vitas is at 63.7 million this gen and Nintendo with a combined sales total of Wii U consoles 3DS's is at 75 million. Microsoft with only one platform to back it up if one fails has been struggling compare to Sony and Nintendo at only 25.5 million Xbox one consoles sold.

So what do you think? Is Xbox the one who is really in trouble here? Will Scorpio be able to save it and if not, what?

NOTE: Numbers used are post december since PS4 sales are the only ones we've gotten. PS4 console + Vita numbers using the lastetst figures is at 68 million. 63.7 million was used to keep it a more fair comparison as Xbox and Nintendo numbers are a month behind.

EDIT: Even if you just consider the best selling hardware of each Company with the PS4 at 49 million and 3DS at 61 million, Microsoft needs to pick its self up because at 25.5 million its going to get left behind by next generation.

If you think having only one console is trouble, what do you think of Nintendo having only one console now and resetting their userbase to 0 mid-generation?



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cosmic_drift on 16 January 2017
xl-klaudkil said:
cosmic_drift said:
Honestly I don't even know why we're having these same discussions when it's clear that Nintendo makes more money than both Sony and MS combined. Raw hardware/software sales mean very little in this conversation.

Atm sony  makes more,and Microsoft  ofcourse  makes more then  sony  and ninty combined 

Are we talking only their gaming division?  If so, they still have a problem retaining it. 



BeatdownBrigade on 16 January 2017
cosmic_drift said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Atm sony  makes more,and Microsoft  ofcourse  makes more then  sony  and ninty combined 

Are we talking only their gaming division?  If so, they still have a problem retaining it. 

Microsoft's gaming division makes more money than Nintendo does and its been pretty consistent in doing so. There is a lot of things in the gaming division Microsoft makes money off compared to the amount of cash flows Nintendo has. Microsoft makes hardware sales, software sales, content deals with say Netflix or other companies, the use of Bing on their system provides increased revenue, xbox live subscriptions, etc. To take an example of the last available quarter data of Q1 2017 just their gaming division had a $1.9 billion dollar revenue stream for Microsoft. Ignoring the profit Microsoft made from other aspects of their business. Nintendo's gaming division in that same time had a net operating loss of $49 million. In fact Nintendo's gaming division has been operating at a loss for quite some time now, even with relatively strong 3DS sales. I'd say Microsoft is doing FAR better with revenue streams even when hardware doesn't move than Nintendo. If hardware doesn't move for Nintendo they are dead in the water as they have very little consistent revenue elsewhere without subscriptions, online partnerships, browser revenue, etc.



Mummelmann on 16 January 2017

If someone is worried about Nintendo because they feel like they're not doing so hot and these people are afraid that they might lose the joy of buying and owning Nintendo hardware, how exactly does it make any kind of sense to transfer the worry over to a company you probably don't care about?

"My mom is terminally ill, but I should probably worry about that dude in my class instead."



S.T.A.G.E. on 16 January 2017

Microsoft is incredibly weak in development, but they have incredible third party support. This covers up their flaws as a first party developer. If they were to lose third party support it would be insanely obvious how bad they are at development.



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OdinHades on 16 January 2017

Microsoft has more money than god, so Xbox is fine as long as they are interested. Which could change, sure, but I wouldn't worry too much about sales. Microsoft is still working (somewhat =P) on Windows Phone despite it being a failure of epic proportions!

Microsoft will at least try again in Gen 9. If they again crash and burn, yeah, they could pull out. But until then, I don't see a reason to be worried about Xbox.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 January 2017
OdinHades said:
Microsoft has more money than god, so Xbox is fine as long as they are interested. Which could change, sure, but I wouldn't worry too much about sales. Microsoft is still working (somewhat =P) on Windows Phone despite it being a failure of epic proportions!

Microsoft will at least try again in Gen 9. If they again crash and burn, yeah, they could pull out. But until then, I don't see a reason to be worried about Xbox.

Microsft has more money than god but if they dont profit their shareholders will demand they exit the gaming industry.



TheAkutsu on 16 January 2017
BeatdownBrigade said:
L_ said:

Each is a piece of deciated gaming hardware that is of equal profit to the company, This about there hardware sales and handheld console is still a console, likewise how the Switch is a handheld console with the bonus of hooking up to a TV. Both 3DS and Wii U get the same IPs and even the same games across both. Yoshi's wooly world, Smash Brother's and Super mario maker are available across the platforms. If by just because it has a different form factor or is a diiferent system shouldn't anything overwise you shouldn't be able to compare the Switch with PS4 or Xbox one. Each platform counts as their install base, especially since one of their most popular franchies (Pokemon) is generally handheld only.

And the problem with your argument that everyone is pointing out but you chose to ignore is that if you accept the logic you are pointing out for why handhelds are included, you'd have to include many PCs bought for gaming purposes that profit Microsoft. Just as ridiculous as counting those PC sales would be in a console debate, so is counting handhelds.

I do not get that. As many components and laptop I am crazy enough to buy, I will not buy a Windows key every time, I'll get a Free OS laptop, or build another PC without buying windows again, and I certainly don't get a PC to play Microsoft games.



DarkD on 16 January 2017

The thread author is correct, Microsoft is the one in the most trouble. Simply put, Xbox isn't a profitable console. They are three for three in making unprofitable consoles. They've been getting pressured for ages now to exit the industry because the truth is that the console market is shrinking. Unless they can steal Sony's spot, the console market will continue to shrink and right now it's tightening like a noose around Xbox's neck.

Right now it's basically treading water and that's the only reason it's still going. They see it as a possible future profit, but they aren't really certain about it. They aren't losing much if any money on it so why not?

Nintendo is actually the most stable of the three. If the worst happens, they'll just drop consoles and go third party. Nintendo as a third party would be more profitable than EA and activision combined. They could easily kick the crap out of the mobile industry if they wanted. When they make money, they make a lot of money.

Sony is only just getting out of its deathbed. It's still weak and nothing is really that stable for them. They're returning to profit, but none of their business ventures are very stable.



Rogerioandrade on 16 January 2017

I agree.
Specially if we consider that the Switch is coming to substitute both Nintendo devides (3ds / WiiU)
When the Switch gets franchises like Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Animal Crossing and Moster Hunter, it will definetely pick up on sales. Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei already confirmed for it, by the way, popular rpg franchises.
XBoxOne is pratically non-existent in Japan and in Europe it doesn´t sell so well as the PS4. The only region where it survives well, so far, are the Americas