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sam987 on 16 January 2017

Well Sony has a lot of 1st and second-party and time-exclusives while MS has only...Halo. The 3DS makes enough profit to maintain business for Nintendo because 3DS games have lower budget but higher profits than console games.



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fuallmofus on 16 January 2017

Yea they should produce 2 halos and 2 gears a year. Doesnt matter if its getting boring and repetitive. That is the case long time ago alrdy.



NATO on 16 January 2017
L_ said:

Microsoft has performed the weakest this generation out of the big 3. Sony with a combined sales total of PS4 consoles and PS Vitas is at 63.7 million this gen and Nintendo with a combined sales total of Wii U consoles 3DS's is at 75 million. Microsoft with only one platform to back it up if one fails has been struggling compare to Sony and Nintendo at only 25.5 million Xbox one consoles sold.

So what do you think? Is Xbox the one who is really in trouble here? Will Scorpio be able to save it and if not, what?

NOTE: Numbers used are post december since PS4 sales are the only ones we've gotten. PS4 console + Vita numbers using the lastetst figures is at 68 million. 63.7 million was used to keep it a more fair comparison as Xbox and Nintendo numbers are a month behind.

EDIT: Even if you just consider the best selling hardware of each Company with the PS4 at 49 million and 3DS at 61 million, Microsoft needs to pick its self up because at 25.5 million its going to get left behind by next generation.

So, to deflect fromt he negativity you're going to use both home console and portable console sales against a company that *ONLY* has a home console on the market?, do you not see how this is heavilly biased?, that's like someone posting a thread saying "nintendo are doomed because Microsoft Windows has an install base of potentially billions where NintendoOS on switch hasn't even hit one million".



jason1637 on 16 January 2017
xl-klaudkil said:
Xbox brand already lost.
Its game over,Scalebound being dropped whas the last drop.

 

No it wasnt.

squibbfire on 16 January 2017
think-man said:
I just get the feeling Microsoft don't care anymore. They aren't aggressive anymore it's like they have just accepted defeat instead of trying to turn around their fortunes. Yeah the X1 had a bad launch but so did the PS3 and look at what Sony did to make sure that thing stayed competitive.

I think its more then that...I think xbox stopped competing in the middle of last gen. Sony won out last gen and this gen.



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ArchangelMadzz on 16 January 2017

Sony's combined PS4/Vita sales are lower than PSP/PS3 sales.

Doom for Sony I worry for their future.



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potato_hamster on 16 January 2017
Barozi said:
potato_hamster said:

Actually, the publisher gets less than $15 for a full $60 title. The platform owner only gets a$1 or two last I checked. Distrubutors get a cut. Stores get a cut, then there's production and shipping shipping costs. That eats up over $40 of a $60 game (the percentages change when the game retails for less than $60). When a first party publishes their own game, they get like $16 max per copy, as opposed to the $1 or so they get for third party.

Then there's second party games (like Pokemon) where Nintendo publishes the game, and owns control of the IP, but an independent studio makes the game. The royalty for that game could mean that Nintendo might only make $2-3 per copy of Pokemon sold rather than the $15 or so they'd get if they made it themselves. This came up when Pokemon Go came up, and people were discussing Nintendo's profits from that. It's actually remarkably similar for all Pokemon games for similar reasons.

and what source did you check? Because that's quite a bit different than this good ol' pie chart:


Then there's the online stores, where platform owners get ~30% of every third party sale and 100% for their own stuff.

I was just going off what a executive told me when I worked for a major video game development company/publisher. It was specifically related to the fact that they sell brand new console games to their own employees for $20 each, so I asked him if they ended up losing money on each game they sold their employees, and he told me that break down, and claimed they didn't. Now I'll be the first to admit this was year and years ago, and it could have been specific to this publisher, and he could have been blowing smoke up my ass and making shit up just to get me to go away.

Sorry if I'm totally wrong.



joeorc on 16 January 2017
Normchacho said:
I mean...last gen Nintendo saw the largest hardware sales collapse gaming has ever seen and they're more or less abandoning the home console market with the Switch. So...

I don't you'll see Nintendo stop selling games anytime soon, but their focus will likely continue to shift to mobile in the coming years.

If you look at the area of Growth , both Sony and Nintendo have expanded to both support iOS & AndroidOS... Which is not just Only Smartphones anymore...now streaming Box's, and SmartTV's also...

 

Both Sony and Nintendo See such devices as more along the lines of Expanded Eco systems Nodes...

 

Nintendo and Sony both are now investing more so with Sony into creating spin off or porting Legacy to Smart devices, because they know that when Smart TV 'S will be the Norm going forward...they are pretty much Light Entertainment Computing in the Living room by Default...

 

Thus just a Bluetooth game pad and you can game right from a smart TV So Sony for instance is not setting the Replacement of the Living Room Console anytime soon , but they did branch out into making sure PlayStation Software development by a smart devices software studio & publishing will give Sony a presence on smart TV's just as well as if there was a PlayStation under the TV moving forward.

 

That's why with Remote Play, PlayStation Now, and PlayStation Vue...add in a dual shock 3 or 4 you can game off of one single PS4 and have a dual shock on every other Smart TV in your house remote connect to the PS4...PlayStation Now , and PlayStation View pretty much makes any smart TV a mini PlayStation.

 

Microsoft's presence in the living room is of course Xbox , Laptops being able to go anywhere in your house, and the media center PC , surface ...but one area where both Nintendo and Sony have a much larger presence is of course is iOS & AndroidOS.

 

Which is where quite frankly due to streaming boxes like Amazon fire , Android TV, have as well as Apple TV is the main Smart Box's for TV's aside from game console's... Microsoft's presence in the smart TV industry is pretty small vs Sony and Nintendo since AndroidOS and iOS have the bigger stake in market share in that arena.

 

That's why Nintendo & Sony expanded...



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Alkibiádēs on 16 January 2017
potato_hamster said:
Barozi said:

and what source did you check? Because that's quite a bit different than this good ol' pie chart:


Then there's the online stores, where platform owners get ~30% of every third party sale and 100% for their own stuff.

I was just going off what a executive told me when I worked for a major video game development company/publisher. It was specifically related to the fact that they sell brand new console games to their own employees for $20 each, so I asked him if they ended up losing money on each game they sold their employees, and he told me that break down, and claimed they didn't. Now I'll be the first to admit this was year and years ago, and it could have been specific to this publisher, and he could have been blowing smoke up my ass and making shit up just to get me to go away.

Sorry if I'm totally wrong.

You can't really believe Nintendo only gets $2 for every Pokémon game sold, right? That would mean they only make around $30 million for a mainlike Pokémon game release. They might as well not bother publishing Pokémon games then lol. 

As for Pokémon Go Nintendo only received around 10-20% of the profits because it also had to share with Google and Niantic. 



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princevenom on 16 January 2017

i agree with you op