? The Switch tech costs next to nothing. Strange person.

The fanboys always crawl out of the woodwork whenever something big happens for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo so I don't pay any attention to comments unless they actually seem objective. Personally, I hate the vast majority of PS4/XBone exclusives. It was around halfway through the 6th gen when I realized that with the general way games were going, I was no longer the target audience. Nowadays, it's all about graphics, cinematic experiences, screwing around and doing nothing in empty open worlds, spending more time watching a game than actually playing it and small technical nitpicking to justify why one game is better than the other. Nintendo is the only company now that makes games that I can consistently enjoy so they'll always be my go-to whenever I decide to buy hardware.

But it does work that way in the real world of market economics. Its great that you find Nintendo games a better value to you, and its your right as a consumer to target the experience you want. But that does not change the fact the market as a whole has strongly spoke on the fact it prefers more power, access to having 3rd party games besides 1st party games, and robust online options as being more appealing. So seeking niche options is fine and your right, but its not others moving the goal posts at all. Only one moving the goal posts are those defending the value of niche markets as being more valuable than the market has decidely shown.

that comes down to opnion whats the better value Sony or Nintendo games

I'm not really sure how you can tell someone else how much they should value a product.

For instance, there is ONE game in Nintendo's announced launch window that I would buy. That would be a terrible value for me, especially considering it would be $450 with a Pro controller + game.

I'll re-evaluate when it has more games I want to play.

If Nintendo games had similar price progression of Sony titles I'd agree, but they don't.

Nintendo goes $60 day 1, $50-60 day 100, maybe $40 day 400 (sometimes still $60)
Sony goes $60 day 1, $30-40 day 100, $10-20 day 400

I know if I wait I can get 2-3 Sony games for one Nintendo game. If it wasn't for Nintendo's pedigree of quality I wouldn't even bother. No I see them as a premium system. The PlayStation 3 with all its "$599!" issue was dirt cheap for me for dozens of games costing $5-20 range. Mass Effect 2 and 3 for $10 each, meanwhile Pokemon games are $40 on a DS or 3DS two years after launch when I look. Both are great games, according to taste, but value wise I don't say Nintendo is 2-3x the games I enjoy on Sony systems.

Thank you padib, I really started to lose faith in VGC due to so much ignorance. This is a breath of fresh air.

Nintendo games offer the best Gameplay and Music money can buy and all Nintendo games look beautiful whether it from the NES or the Wii U you cant deny they offer the best experience. That's why they have the best selling games and franchises in the world.

Of course it is a value in anyone's eyes. Nintendo games are great. However as has been proven in the past, having Nintendo 1st party games and "Nintendo-like 3rd party" alone isn't going to get people to buy your console in droves.

I certainly buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games and that has always been the case. You can't get Nintendo exclusives anywhere else until they get emulated by PC near the end of the cycle.

But the issue with the Switch for me is the barrier to entry is requiring a lot of urks and urghhs than usual.

See with the wiiU, sure there was a barrier of entry of $300 to play Nintendo games but apart from buying the games themselves and the content, there was no other fee required. Now the Switch has an online fee. We dont know how much it's going to cost but it is still going to cost something... So if I don't pay for online, the amount of Nintendo games I would be playing would be less. Each generation, the two biggest games I play are MK and SSB. Both of which heavily rely on online to carry and single player can't carry alone for me. So two of the biggest franchises Nintendo has to offer for me aren't an option anymore unless I pay for online which I have not done Ever on any console. And of course, any game that has an online component like Splatoon becomes less valuable unless I pay for the online.

Next, battery wasn't good on the wiiU gamepad but it wasn't meant to be a console on the go. The Switch which is meant to be a console on the go has a worse minimum battery life than the wiiU's gamepad. Like come on... They couldn't even match it at a minimum?

And the price of the accessories and etc are cray cray.

So the point is, the Switch, even for just Nintendo games is a tougher pill to swallow because it requires me to pay extra for online and pay extra for a portable battery bank on top of the $300 price tag. And if I don't pay for online, the library of games that I am buying the switch for will be less due to the games that do have a fairly strong emphasis on online play which I love to play every generation.