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Dravenet7 said:
ICStats said:

Counting all the junk you mean?

Of the games that may actually be console sellers:

 * Zelda is a Wii U cross-gen title.
 * Mario Kart is a Wii U remaster.
 * Splatoon 2 will appeal to the same people as Splatoon 1 on Wii U.
 * Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will appeal to the same people as Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii U.
 * Mario Odyssey, maybe more appeal than 3D World... who knows.

I think it does look like more of the same as Wii U.  It will sell to Wii U owners that want a Splatoon sequel, etc. but there isn't much new here that will attract a wider audience than Wii U.

The five I was referring to were Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Zelda BotW and the 3 specific games were Skylanders Imaginators, Minecraft, and Just Dance. These three games, while you consider "junk" are high selling titles that console creator would be foolish not to have on their system.

The only thing you got right was Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Outside of that you're severely mistaken  on everything else, especially Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Let me lightly go over Xenoblade X despite you being the most fundamentally wrong with.

- Xenoblade Chronicles X was never a sequel to Xenoblade. It was just loosely connected. More connected than the other Xeno games, but still loosely connected.

- This is important because outside of certain aspects of gameplay, it was a different game. The original Xenoblade was much more story oriented than XCX. XCX did not appeal to everyone who liked Xenoblade. Xenoblade 2, on the other hand, is clearly going to be a sequel. That fans demanded.

Outside of that, saying Splatoon 2 will just appeal to the same audience as Splatoon is silly. That's like saying Pokemon Sun & Moon only appeals to those who played Pokemon X & Y. Fire Emblem Fates only appeals to those who played Fire emblem Awakening. It makes no sense. Good games with high reception tend to have more sucessful sequels that either maintain quality or improve upon it. No should really have to humor this.

-  " Mario Odyssey, maybe more appeal than 3D World... who knows." The answer is everyone... including you. Mario 3D World did very well and was highly acclaimed, but many people demanded a game closer to Galaxy and 64. For years. Throughout the Wii U's life, people have consistenly demanded a "true 3D Mario". Look at the reception to this game and see where those True 3D Mario comments are now.

There is so much more I can say, but I would feel like I was wasting my time because frankly, based on you went about talking these games, it seems that you are simply trying to downplay them.

I don't play Xenoblade so I don't know the history, but I own all of the other games mentioned on Wii U.

Sure folks bitched about 3D World not being a true 3D Mario, but did a lot of people pass on the Wii U because of that?  It was a 93 Meta Mario anyway.  If Wii U's games weren't attractive enough to old Nintendo fans i don't know that these will be that much more.



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RolStoppable said:
kirby007 said:

oh my god your still trolling the forums

And soon I'll be a mod. That's game over for you then.

Australians should never be allowed to become mods. 



routsounmanman said:
RolStoppable said:

And soon I'll be a mod. That's game over for you then.

Australians should never be allowed to become mods. 

good thing Rol isnt Australian



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zorg1000 said:

good thing Rol isnt Australian

People from Australia are indeed Australians though...?



Platina said:
What numbers are considered to be a flop and success though?

It's basically guaranteed to sell better than the Wii U


Wii U was a big flop, so beating the Wii U doesn't make it not be a flop.  GC level is still pretty weak.  If we're also talking about replacing the 3DS then the bar to not be a flop is that much higher.

Since it's a hybrid, I'd say to consider a success or a flop we'll need to look at things like if 3rd party stays or walks, or at Nintendo's overall financial picture.



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ICStats said:
Platina said:
What numbers are considered to be a flop and success though?

It's basically guaranteed to sell better than the Wii U


Wii U was a big flop, so beating the Wii U doesn't make it not be a flop.  GC level is still pretty weak.  If we're also talking about replacing the 3DS then the bar to not be a flop is that much higher.

Since it's a hybrid, I'd say to consider a success or a flop we'll need to look at things like if 3rd party stays or walks, or at Nintendo's overall financial picture.

I think it really depends on who you ask as well.  The Switch is entering uncharted territory with its design, so some people might judge it more or less leniently because of it.  Some people might think due to the fact that it (may) replace their handheld system that it should sell console + handheld numbers and therefore be even higher than XBO/PS4 numbers to be considered successful.  Some might say that due to its hybrid nature, the market would first have to get accustomed to the hardware before it will achieve higher sales (for example, maybe not the exact argument).  

Then there's what is expected by Nintendo itself.  They may not be aiming to sell as much as their competition and, therefore, reaching or surpassing their projections made prior to launch may be the level for it not to be considered a flop.  

Of course, as far as consumers are concerned, it would probably have to be between XBO and PS4 to not be considered a flop by many.

edit: Personally I think it will flop on at least two of these levels, but probably could succeed in being satisfactory for Nintendo.



If things don't change fast, I have no problem seeing the thing selling more or less the same numbers as the Wii U over here, if not just a little better, but most of the support will come from Japan, and the Switch will be left in the dust by the western market short after realase.



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NintendoPie said:
zorg1000 said:

good thing Rol isnt Australian

People from Australia are indeed Australians though...?

Stop being racist. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

kirby007 said:

1. We all know Nintendo doesn't give a shit about graphical power, the philosophy they follow is one of artistical progress and looks. This has worked in the past for them with the wii better then most of their other consoles, which is fine if there isn't any other platform that supplies the same options ( or is as easily available). But, currently you can get plenty other games with this this setup on the other 2 consoles, and ofcourse on tablets and phones which generally speaking are superior to the switch.

2. Spreading wings, putting their games on display on different platforms economicly profitable or not and more importanly being of great quality or not is a problem. Suppose the games are good will it actually turn people towards getting nintendo hardware or let them wait for the next game release on non-nintendo hardware. Are the gae of lesser quality this is even more debateable, why get pokemon go aka an halfassed game if you can get a fanmade game which is much more closer to the actual IP on the handhelds

3 Selling points, does the switch even has a selling point these days, hardware related? imo nah. Gamewise you could say yes a few games are proper gems but how much more of the same old mario kart do you really want? hell the best smah bros was melee

Do not be suprised when it doesn't outsell the wii U

1. The philosophy they follow is gameplay and innovation. The artistic style being used for their games allow them to look as good or better than AAA games on other system do. Mobile games still have a long way to go before being considered artistic, and the superior tech they run on hasn't shown us anything remotely close to Zelda, Mario, or Splatoon on the Switch. What sells on mobile are games that can generate revenue quickly (Clash of Clans, Game of War: Fire Age). These are not impressive games imo.

2. This is already being done. No one here can say that Pokemon Go didn't play a part in Sun and Moon's monstrous sales.

3. The amount of games that will be available on the Switch will equal the amount on 3ds or greater, since this is a unified system. Hardware related, the joycons have a lot of tech in them. The Switch is almost on par with current gen consoles... in tablet form, which justifies this. Any core Zelda or Mario being available on the go is very enticing to many.

As per your last statement, tell me right now that you believe that a hybrid (Handheld and console) system, with all of the respective level of software support, with much better reception than the Wii U (Even though many are more cautious now because of the Wii U), selling for the same cost as the cheaper Wii U sku did, along with already major titles like Zelda, Mario, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, kart, smash, and others releasing this year alone, will sell worse than the Wii U.



NintendoPie said:
zorg1000 said:

good thing Rol isnt Australian

People from Australia are indeed Australians though...?

which is why starcraft was such a horrible mod



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