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vivster said:
yvanjean said:

Talk to any young gamers under age of 15..... Mobile is there main platform of choice.

Except the ones that are still buying a 3DS for some reason.

Well, let me shed some light on this. I use a 3Ds and also a tablet. While I do play on the tablet, there are experiences it doesn't offer. I have no idea, how it ever could be possible to control a game like Monster Hunter or Kid Icarus Uprising on a tablet. I know, there are bluetooth controllers for these things. But why should I bother buying such addons, if there are no proper games supporting it. On the other hand: why should devs create games that need an controller for mobile platforms, if no one is using one. So I don't see such games coming soon. There might be other games technical well possible on mobile: Etrian Odyssey or Fire Emblem come to mind. But I actually see no good games in that area. I might just miss them. So no way for now, that mobile can replace a handheld for a gamer like me.



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Nem said:
Mnementh said:

The 3DS has exactly the same range of battery life, 3-6 hours, depending on the game. I recharge my 3DS on the Go with an USB-powerbank and an USB-to-3DS-adapter. Looks like I can do the same with Switch.

The 3DS is much longer than 3 hours. Don't you have one? It would be 3 hours if the battery was spent.

I have a 3DS. I can get it empty in 3 hours with the right games. But more to the point: Nintendo is officially given the Switch a battery life of 3.5 to 6.5 hours. The german Nintendo-site for New 3DS states 3.5 to 6 hours for new 3DS and 3.5 to 7 hours for new 3DS XL. So Switch is exactly in the same ballpark here. I'm not totally happy with the battery life of the 3DS, the DS was much better. But it is OK, with me taking an USB-powerbank with me. So nothing changes in this regard with the Switch.

See here for the technical data (in german): http://www.nintendo.de/games/oms/new-nintendo-3ds/system.html



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Nem said:
Dravenet7 said:

Pretty sure

EDIT: It actually does come with the Switch.

 

http://www.n-europe.com/images/console/Switch/Box_Contents_-_Grey.jpg

Is this the charger you have in mind? Doesn't look USB to me. But if it can connect directly to the pad then it should at least be ok to charge outside.

They said Switch is caharged with USB-C, so every USB-C cable should work.



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ICStats said:
Dravenet7 said:

 

This I don't get either. Out of the games announced there are basically 5 games on the Wii U. 3 of which are on basically every platform. In what way is that most games?

Counting all the junk you mean?

Of the games that may actually be console sellers:

 * Zelda is a Wii U cross-gen title.
 * Mario Kart is a Wii U remaster.
 * Splatoon 2 will appeal to the same people as Splatoon 1 on Wii U.
 * Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will appeal to the same people as Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii U.
 * Mario Odyssey, maybe more appeal than 3D World... who knows.

I think it does look like more of the same as Wii U.  It will sell to Wii U owners that want a Splatoon sequel, etc. but there isn't much new here that will attract a wider audience than Wii U.

The five I was referring to were Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Zelda BotW and the 3 specific games were Skylanders Imaginators, Minecraft, and Just Dance. These three games, while you consider "junk" are high selling titles that console creator would be foolish not to have on their system.

The only thing you got right was Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Outside of that you're severely mistaken  on everything else, especially Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Let me lightly go over Xenoblade X despite you being the most fundamentally wrong with.

- Xenoblade Chronicles X was never a sequel to Xenoblade. It was just loosely connected. More connected than the other Xeno games, but still loosely connected.

- This is important because outside of certain aspects of gameplay, it was a different game. The original Xenoblade was much more story oriented than XCX. XCX did not appeal to everyone who liked Xenoblade. Xenoblade 2, on the other hand, is clearly going to be a sequel. That fans demanded.

Outside of that, saying Splatoon 2 will just appeal to the same audience as Splatoon is silly. That's like saying Pokemon Sun & Moon only appeals to those who played Pokemon X & Y. Fire Emblem Fates only appeals to those who played Fire emblem Awakening. It makes no sense. Good games with high reception tend to have more sucessful sequels that either maintain quality or improve upon it. No should really have to humor this.

-  " Mario Odyssey, maybe more appeal than 3D World... who knows." The answer is everyone... including you. Mario 3D World did very well and was highly acclaimed, but many people demanded a game closer to Galaxy and 64. For years. Throughout the Wii U's life, people have consistenly demanded a "true 3D Mario". Look at the reception to this game and see where those True 3D Mario comments are now.

There is so much more I can say, but I would feel like I was wasting my time because frankly, based on you went about talking these games, it seems that you are simply trying to downplay them.



This is an awful year 1 lineup too I gotta say. There are 3-4 really good new Nintendo games there, but there better be a whole lot more than these 25 or so games. 



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Alkibiádēs said:
betacon said:
Anyone else concerned the lack of handheld titles announced for the switch may imply a 3ds2* ?

Project Octopath Traveler is made by the Bravely Default team and Shin Megami Tensei has also been a franchise that has been mainly on handhelds lately. So no, I'm not worried. Hyrule Warriors was also on the 3DS and we're getting a Fire Emblem Warriors now, so that counts as well I guess. 

This. I'm pretty sure its goiing to get similar kind of support that the portables get, hell I think thats what most of those 80 games are.



Mnementh said:
vivster said:

Except the ones that are still buying a 3DS for some reason.

Well, let me shed some light on this. I use a 3Ds and also a tablet. While I do play on the tablet, there are experiences it doesn't offer. I have no idea, how it ever could be possible to control a game like Monster Hunter or Kid Icarus Uprising on a tablet. I know, there are bluetooth controllers for these things. But why should I bother buying such addons, if there are no proper games supporting it. On the other hand: why should devs create games that need an controller for mobile platforms, if no one is using one. So I don't see such games coming soon. There might be other games technical well possible on mobile: Etrian Odyssey or Fire Emblem come to mind. But I actually see no good games in that area. I might just miss them. So no way for now, that mobile can replace a handheld for a gamer like me.

unfortunately, every year that passes there are less and less gamers like you (not just you, me too.)



ICStats said:
MDMAlliance said:

You're grasping with those last 3.  

Splatoon 2 is a sequel to a highly popular Wii U game that can and probably will reach to people who didn't own one.  It didn't just sell the way it did because it was on Wii U.  

Xenoblade 2 is a sequel to the Wii game, not the Wii U one, so what are you even talking about there?  Again, there's no direct connection to the Wii U.


Last one, what?  This one seems like you just added it so it looked like your list would be more complete.  I agree with the first two you put, at least.  Those are games that will hinder the system's ability due to the nature of the game.

edit: I'm not saying these are games that will definitely make the system do well, but they are bad examples of why the Switch will be like the Wii U.

Why will Splatoon 2 be much more appealing than Splatoon 1?  People that loved the game will continue to love it.  People that never played it have no reference other than great critical acclaim, but Splatoon already has great critical acclaim.

Should have said Xenoblade Chronicles X on Wii U.

Your edit is a bit self contradictory.  Wii U had 3D World / MK8 / Splatoon / XC2.  Switch doesn't (yet) have a set of games that will grow the appeal over what Wii U had.

I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say, but I still disagree slightly.  

I'm not saying Splatoon 2 will be much more appealing than the first one.  I was just trying to say that it's not necessarily going to be the same people who bought it on the Wii U who will on the Switch.  

My argument isn't that these games will bring in a wider audience than the WIi U by some noticeable amount, but what I AM saying is that Splatoon for the Wii U probably suffered by being on the Wii U while on the Switch that may not necessarily be the case.  The audience who buy the games might be larger for Splatoon 2 than the Wii U.  

For Xenoblade Chronicles X, a lot of fans of the original probably didn't feel X was close enough to the original to buy a Wii U or the game.  I don't know this, but I have played the original and do not own X, so I can say that the appeal should be at least closer to those who bought it on Wii than Wii U, given Xenoblade 2 is clearly a proper sequel.

For Super Mario Odyssey, it definitely has a much larger appeal than 3D World did by virtue of the fact that it's a sandbox mario vs a 3D platformer.  That's something the Wii U lacked and a LOT of people (I know for a fact) prefer this one over the Wii U one.  I wont say it will sell more, but the kind of audience it appeals to is larger just by concept alone.

Wii U and Switch's appeal isn't solely on their games, it's on hardware as well.  This much is obvious if you look at how the Wii sold, and PS4 as well.  Neither one of those systems had the games starting off to explain their sales.



Dravenet7 said:
Nem said:

http://www.n-europe.com/images/console/Switch/Box_Contents_-_Grey.jpg

Is this the charger you have in mind? Doesn't look USB to me. But if it can connect directly to the pad then it should at least be ok to charge outside.

That is the USB type C I was referring to previously. It is currently used in many phones I believe. The benefit is that it's a nonpropriety charger. 

Hmm... the phone ones  usually got a cable that is USB in one end and the entrance that goes on your phone in the other. That is how you connect your phone to the PC for example. I don't see the USB entrance on that one. The image is not zoomed in enough to tell what is in the end of that cable, but its safe to say that the part that connects to the power source is fused with it.

But that adaptor may connect directly to the gamepad. If it does, you can carry it around to charge it. If it doesn't you need to buy one.

Mnementh said:
Nem said:

The 3DS is much longer than 3 hours. Don't you have one? It would be 3 hours if the battery was spent.

I have a 3DS. I can get it empty in 3 hours with the right games. But more to the point: Nintendo is officially given the Switch a battery life of 3.5 to 6.5 hours. The german Nintendo-site for New 3DS states 3.5 to 6 hours for new 3DS and 3.5 to 7 hours for new 3DS XL. So Switch is exactly in the same ballpark here. I'm not totally happy with the battery life of the 3DS, the DS was much better. But it is OK, with me taking an USB-powerbank with me. So nothing changes in this regard with the Switch.

See here for the technical data (in german): http://www.nintendo.de/games/oms/new-nintendo-3ds/system.html

Surely you don't need me to say that 3 is less than 3.5 and that is not about intensive games. You will have your 3DS spend that much if you are constantly using online features with maximum illumination. Still this is the absolute minimum you are talking about. It's not the "ballpark", its outside of the ballpark, even if you were to stretch it that far.

On the Switch... all we got is that its going to take 3 hours with a single player game.

I really shouldnt have to tell anything more than that. You are reaching really hard here.



What numbers are considered to be a flop and success though?

It's basically guaranteed to sell better than the Wii U



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