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mutantsushi said:
Do people not understand what efficient means?
It means using few resources to accomplish the goal.
Pro's Checkerboard silicon tying into object IDs is efficient.
Designing a console whose power is "good enough" is efficient.
Going above what is the minimum which accomplishes a goal is NOT efficient.

I know you're basically reffering to me. Again, I suppored the Playstation 4's checkerboarding and the psuedo 4k. I know the definition of efficient. But the failure rates of the Pro - not efficient lol. 



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Zekkyou said:
This is purely anecdotal as far as general supply goes, but around where i live (south west london) finding a PS4 Pro was an absolute nightmare. Wanted to get one as a gift, but they were sold out on Amazon UK so we decided to drive into town. We tried Tesco, Game, John Lewis, Argos, Sainsburys, you name it. We eventually did find one at a HMV of all places, but lord that was a long day.

Was calling them not possible or do they never pick up/ when they do they just won't tell you over the phone?



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

The system overheats, crashes, and runs some games worse than the regular Playstation 4. I completely agree that for wh at it is it is efficient, which is why I said 4k is mostly just a gimmick for consoles and that the price is good. But by definition they should have done better making sure it's failure rate was closer to the original PS4(which had failures...but that's like every console ever. It wasn't nearly as bad as the Pro)

Everything you said there has nothing to do with efficiency. And to be honest I think ur exaggerating or taking things outta context or even both. 

 

You talk about the system crashing and overheating like it's a widespread generalized issue. It's not.

 

You talk about it running games worse than the original, that's obviously a software issue and is purely on a game by game basis. This would have held some water if Sony made every single game on the PlayStation. They don't. 

 

Reliability and consistency are all very different things from efficiency. My statement is based on the PS4pro being "efficient" hardware. And I've stated my reasons. 

If you want to to talk about reliability, or software consisttency..... Then go ahead. I don't know how those things have anything to do with the PS4pro being designed with a focus on efficiency over brute force tho....



Intrinsic said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

The system overheats, crashes, and runs some games worse than the regular Playstation 4. I completely agree that for wh at it is it is efficient, which is why I said 4k is mostly just a gimmick for consoles and that the price is good. But by definition they should have done better making sure it's failure rate was closer to the original PS4(which had failures...but that's like every console ever. It wasn't nearly as bad as the Pro)

Everything you said there has nothing to do with efficiency. And to be honest I think ur exaggerating or taking things outta context or even both. 

 

You talk about the system crashing and overheating like it's a widespread generalized issue. It's not.

 

You talk about it running games worse than the original, that's obviously a software issue and is purely on a game by game basis. This would have held some water if Sony made every single game on the PlayStation. They don't. 

 

Reliability and consistency are all very different things from efficiency. My statement is based on the PS4pro being "efficient" hardware. And I've stated my reasons. 

If you want to to talk about reliability, or software consisttency..... Then go ahead. I don't know how those things have anything to do with the PS4pro being designed with a focus on efficiency over brute force tho....

Uhm...no...that does have to do with efficiency. Technology and how it ruins has to do with efficiency. A power PC chip runs hotter and does less things than an intel  chip that does more work - which is more  efficient? That's not an exact analogy of the situation but it's just an analogy - a point. There is such thing as technilogical efficiency, i'm not just talking about in terms of power to cost ratio, i'm also  talking about how well handled and crafted the system is. Stop being childish and defending a product that was mediocre at best and a mess at worst. It wasn't terrible, but then again I don't have one.

"You talk about the system crashing and overheating like it's a widespread generalized issue. It's not."

That depends entirely on what you call "widespread". From what I can tell it has a higher failure rate than the Playstation 4 or Xbox One(s) ... I hear all the time that "Oh this guys Pro failed" or "Oh my pro failed" and that's something I never heard with the PS4. Has it never happened to the ps4 slim or other consoles? No. Is it as "widespread" as the red ring of death for the 360? No. But it's an issue that's definitely arisen since the consoles release and i have no doubt that when a study is conducted the failure rate will be worse than the original 8th gen consoles(though you can probably expect the same from a console). 

"You talk about it running games worse than the original, that's obviously a software issue and is purely on a game by game basis. This would have held some water if Sony made every single game on the PlayStation. They don't. "

The Last of Us remastered is one of the games running worse on the PRO. I've also heard some people say The Last Guardian was worse in a few selects parts of the game than the regular game, and they literally brought in the lead designer of the PS4 to help along the development of The Last Guardian(but to most people it is doing better than the regular ps4 so that's good).

"Reliability and consistency are all very different things from efficiency. My statement is based on the PS4pro being "efficient" hardware. And I've stated my reasons. "

Uhm....if you make a system at 400$, with hardware that can run games near 4k, at a consumer level grade that's affordable, AND is reliable and consistent...that's efficiency. If it isn't consistent or reliable...that's not efficient. Don't be like this bro, you're not even making sense. I'm not slamming the Pro - frankily i'm kind of glad they just released a subpar 4k device because it's almost pointless for console owners anyways. I'll probably buy one eventually and never buy a scorpio. But it's not like reliability and consistency has NOTHING to do with efficiency. it does. You seem to only be talking about economic efficiency...and that's fine. But if the pro ran always consistent and was always reliable than it would be the most efficient machine ever. But often, maybe not that often, but more often than other consoles - it doesn't. Damn I feel like i'm walking on egg shells cause you have to excuse something as not having to do with efficiency. 



Don't even engage in conversations about overheating. It's Crapgamer and his crew that spread that nonsense and we don't need that here.



 

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Uhm...no...that does have to do with efficiency. Technology and how it ruins has to do with efficiency. A power PC chip runs hotter and does less things than an intel  chip that does more work - which is more  efficient? That's not an exact analogy of the situation but it's just an analogy - a point. There is such thing as technilogical efficiency, i'm not just talking about in terms of power to cost ratio, i'm also  talking about how well handled and crafted the system is. Stop being childish and defending a product that was mediocre at best and a mess at worst. It wasn't terrible, but then again I don't have one.

"You talk about the system crashing and overheating like it's a widespread generalized issue. It's not."

That depends entirely on what you call "widespread". From what I can tell it has a higher failure rate than the Playstation 4 or Xbox One(s) ... I hear all the time that "Oh this guys Pro failed" or "Oh my pro failed" and that's something I never heard with the PS4. Has it never happened to the ps4 slim or other consoles? No. Is it as "widespread" as the red ring of death for the 360? No. But it's an issue that's definitely arisen since the consoles release and i have no doubt that when a study is conducted the failure rate will be worse than the original 8th gen consoles(though you can probably expect the same from a console). 

"You talk about it running games worse than the original, that's obviously a software issue and is purely on a game by game basis. This would have held some water if Sony made every single game on the PlayStation. They don't. "

The Last of Us remastered is one of the games running worse on the PRO. I've also heard some people say The Last Guardian was worse in a few selects parts of the game than the regular game, and they literally brought in the lead designer of the PS4 to help along the development of The Last Guardian(but to most people it is doing better than the regular ps4 so that's good).

"Reliability and consistency are all very different things from efficiency. My statement is based on the PS4pro being "efficient" hardware. And I've stated my reasons. "

Uhm....if you make a system at 400$, with hardware that can run games near 4k, at a consumer level grade that's affordable, AND is reliable and consistent...that's efficiency. If it isn't consistent or reliable...that's not efficient. Don't be like this bro, you're not even making sense. I'm not slamming the Pro - frankily i'm kind of glad they just released a subpar 4k device because it's almost pointless for console owners anyways. I'll probably buy one eventually and never buy a scorpio. But it's not like reliability and consistency has NOTHING to do with efficiency. it does. You seem to only be talking about economic efficiency...and that's fine. But if the pro ran always consistent and was always reliable than it would be the most efficient machine ever. But often, maybe not that often, but more often than other consoles - it doesn't. Damn I feel like i'm walking on egg shells cause you have to excuse something as not having to do with efficiency. 

Ok. I'll just take it as that you do not know the difference between reliable and efficient. 

 

And that talk about overheating and breaking down PS4s is BS. Unless you are basing that all on crapgamer and your anecdotal evidence. I have not heard a single person say their PS4pro overheated. You see? Now take that as fact if you want. 



naruball said:
Zekkyou said:
This is purely anecdotal as far as general supply goes, but around where i live (south west london) finding a PS4 Pro was an absolute nightmare. Wanted to get one as a gift, but they were sold out on Amazon UK so we decided to drive into town. We tried Tesco, Game, John Lewis, Argos, Sainsburys, you name it. We eventually did find one at a HMV of all places, but lord that was a long day.

Was calling them not possible or do they never pick up/ when they do they just won't tell you over the phone?

We tried calling Tesco, Sainsburys, and John Lewis before visiting those, and each time we were told they had some, but when we got there they didn't (though to be fair to John Lewis the guy said he wasn't sure). After that we didn't bother. We were going to try 1 more shop after HMV then call it quits, but fortunately we found it in the end.



xl-klaudkil said:
Can't seem to buy a pro in Holland too where i live (Rotterdam)

I live in Rotterdam aswell hahaha I managed to find one :P



Well, Sony haven't planned the demand right then



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Radek said:

I'm suprised people still fall for his bullcrap, I guess people are really looking for something to attack Sony for after their extremely successfull 2016.

I remember the news that some Xbox fanboys have discovered second GPU in Xbox One. 3 - 4 years ago if i rememer correctly. They were shouting second GPU!!! second GPU !!! for like 2 weeks until MS debunked this.

https://www.vg247.com/2014/03/25/xbox-one-has-no-secondary-hidden-gpu-stresses-microsofts-penello/