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Lafiel said:
Lawlight said:

How many people will repelling Obamacare affect? I thought only a small number of people are covered by that.

the number that has been tossed around is 20-30million people

                               

Misleading number. Many of those could have had insurance before the ACA.

 

But if the OP is real and not a fake posting, what's wrong with that?
I know people that their premiums quadrupled since Obamacare(ACA) became into law. They are now on the ACA, because their insurance went out of business. They are paying roughly $30,000 a year for health insurance now.

Just this last October, they were all taking about how they had to go onto the site at like midnight to sign up as quick as they could for the ACA to make sure they got the insurance. And they were going from paying roughly 800 a month to 2300 a month. This all happened around October of this last year as I said. You can bet that was a huge factor in their voting.

These were people that have to buy their own insurance, not get it from work. People like Farmers, or people not yet 65 but working part time, thus can't get medicare yet. You might have seen a commercial on TV even of some farming family that basically said this. I actuall know them. They live really close to where I grew up and are friends with my parents. But this would be "rural" americans, so we are all hicks and morons and should be ignored though right?

As for my own experience. I've been at two different jobs since the ACA was put into law. Both of those jobs at some point raised the amount we have to pay for our insurance twice while I was at both place. The first time they raised the price, they had a whole memo accompanying it saying how it was their first raise in 15 years. I've heard the same from many of my other friends. I left one job before finding out what they were planning to do this year 2017. Cause in 2016, the premiums for the insurance everyone had went up super high, so they were talking about needing to look for a different plan. They had been using teh same great "cadilac" plan since forever and never even bothered shopping around before. But prices went up so high that they could not afford to cover that much for employees that they were going to look for something new. So because of the ACA, that businesses employees will be getting worse insurance.

So when I hear all these stats from the politicians saying stuff like average premiums rising every year by less now than before, call me skeptical. Not one person I know that had insurance before the ACA is happy with their insurance prices now.

They want the ACA gone/fixed/whatever.

Will Trump and the republicans make it better? Who knows. But from what I've seen, it was only going to continue to get worse with democrats. I can't see the republicans screwing it up any more than it already is.



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Safiir said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

... Because she was the only alternative? You can't pretend she's irrelevant. A lot of people didn't want to vote for Trump or Hillary but picked the lesser evil of the two. What fantasy land are you living in where there was a magic third choice that was exceptional and brought peace on Earth?

That said, I don't even think Trump is a bad choice and I would 100% have voted for him if I was an American, I'm just not blind enough to not know that a lot of people voted for him simply because Hillary was so much worse.

At the bolded - Yeah, that remains to be seen. 

Well, honestly, it actually doesn't, because we can't see an alternate reality where Hillary won. Regardless of how good or bad Trump turns out to be, people will argue 'til they're blue in the face about how Hillary would've been better or worse. So... No, it doesn't actually remain to be seen. A choice was made, and we'll see the results of that choice. We will not see whether Hillary was the greater evil or not, though my personal conviction that she was is strong.



bunchanumbers said:
Lawlight said:

But that's not the number of newly insured people, right?

Thats the total number of people covered by the affordable care act.

That doesn't mean all of those people will be unable to go elsewhere for insurance though. People are assuming so much that with the a repeal of Obamacare, it means that there won't be any gradual nature to it (duh, ofc there will) and that there won't be measures from it kept (as it's already been said numerous times that pre-existing conditions won't stop people from access to insurance).

For the vast majority of Americans, it should hopefully mean that their premiums go down. I know far too many people under 30 that have dropped insurance completely because it's gotten far too expensive.



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Normchacho said:
Yeah...I saw this earlier. Some people are just so god damn stupid...

People like him are why Trump won you know...

People who believed him when he said Mexico would pay for his stupid wall

People who believed him when he said he can cut taxes, vastly increase defense spending, and reduce the national debt without touching SS and Medicare...

You know...idiots.

Nope, it's people like Hillary Clinton why Trump won. Well, actually Hillary Clinton is the sole reason for Trumps victory.



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Lawlight said:
Lafiel said:

the number that has been tossed around is 20-30million people.

But that's not the number of newly insured people, right?

officially that number is the number of people in the ACA system.  here is the more direct look as newly insured:

with a USA population of 318 million a 6% drop in the uninsured ~19.08 million are now insured that previously were not.  so basically the ACA consumers were also uninsured.  you could buy ACA insurance and previously have insurance but that is pretty close to a lie.  if you have health insurance via your employer you almost certainly didn't waive that benefit to buy obama care.

companies under 50 employees (i think) are not legally required to offer their employees health insurance.  it is these people that were previously uninsured.  as an individual buyer things were very expensive.  company plans did not discriminate against prior condition,.. the individual market did.  company plans did not discriminate against individual health risks* like being overweight,.. the individual market did.  company plans are substidized by the company,.. individual plans were not.

*smoking has always been an exception for both plans

 

and no matter how much mr pugglsy wants to lie about it,.. ACA is not free.  it is substized but not even close to free.  my wifes cousin is on the ACA,.. she has a plan that with a premium that costs here about $250 a month.  prior to the ACA the cheapest plan she could find was almost $2000 a month.

obamacare's individual market basically regulated it in a way that citizens NOT working for large companies had access to similar plans as large companies with massive purchasing power already had access.  the USA government priovided leverage to prevent the financial penaties for things insurance companies were discrimanting against only in the individual market.  The USA governement provided subsidies similar in scope and value as what large companies currently provide their employees.  

ACA also attempted to expand medicare but that expansion was to be executed at the state level.  most republican governors refused to take the federal funding in order to expand medicare specifically because they wanted to make sure ACA failed.

just another example of republicans being obstructionists to ensure government fails so they came make the claim that government is a failure.  self fullfilling proficy. 



Yeah must be horrible to pay a little more tax so you can help poor people get the medicare they need to survive...
The US healthcare is fucking disgusting.



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Omfg that's hilarious! I wonder what's going through this guys head right now, lol

About the name, though, I could swear that Obama himself refers to ACA as Obamacare, so even if the name was coined by the Right, it's taken on semi-official status at this point.



Makes you wonder how many others are in for a shock...



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Let's go back in time abit....Before Obamacare the D's said 40 million people don't have any 'healthcare'. Which wasn't really true, they didn't have an insurance plan to reduce their healthcare costs. They were allowed to go to any ER to get free healthcare, along with anyone on American soil. Still applies today. Most of those 40 million were younger people working at min wage jobs in places that didn't have employee sponsored plans. The rest of the 40 M were the working poor adults in the same situation.  Obamacare came along and today 20 million people have the coverage. Leaving 20 million in the same situation they were  years ago. Most of the takers of ACA get a subsidy to reduce their costs to less than 100 a month. Most of The people who already had coverage through their jobs are now paying 2x more per month to cover the costs of the subsidies given to the takers of ACA. And they in many cases had to lose their longtime Dr bacause their plan was cancelled because some Ins. Co.'s couldn't continue to cover people.  Some of the posters here say the R's 'are going to 'kill 20 million people' or 'don't want you to be covered'. Well if 20 million people are today still not covered by ACA, the D's must want to kill them too. The ACA was rammed through way to quickly and on a partisan basis. The kinks needed ironing out before it was implimented. But the D's were too much in a hurry to 'impliment it before you can read it', that is is crumbling down on its' own. If the R's don't fix/replace it it will fail and leave 100's of millions without any Insurance. Because of the D's hurry job, we can never go back to the days where YOU work and YOU pay for your OWN health Ins. Sad really.