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Lawlight said:
Isn't Obamacare considered a failure by everyone?

 

 

It was never what we actually needed, IMO. What we need, is the same exact thing every other "1st World Nation" has, and that is some form of actual "Universal Healthcare" coverage for all natural citizens. But the ACA, "Obamacare", wasn't a "failure", it still removed a nasty ability by insurance companies to deny you even getting insurance because of a "pre-existing condition", IE the exact reason that most people would NEED insurance, becuase they have health problems/needs. It also made it so more people were insured, in the millions, though there are STILL millions that are not coverd in some states.

It isn't perfect by any means, and wasn't the full step we actually needed. In fact, the worst part about the ACA was introduced by a Republican, if I'm remembering correctly, and that was the stipulation that now says everyone HAS to have some kind of insurance, or they get penalized. That never should have gone in. Punishing poor people who already can't afford healthcare, by charning them money for NOT having insurance, is sadistic.

It's hilarious to me that so many idiots refer to the ACA as "Socialism", when it's hte most Capitalist thing going. The biggest winner of Obamacare, outside of not being able to exclude people anymore, was the insurance industry.



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Lol, the fact that he didn't know that Obamacare wasn't the actual name of the law is amusing. Granted I'm sure a lot of Americans think that's the actual name; so I guess I shouldn't be too amused by this.



The issue is with Obamacare is that it wont work in the long term as it has mostly older and sick people signing up while young people fail to enrol in the plan as they rather pay the penalty and think rather naively they won't get sick.

As a result, insurance companies move out of Obamacare and in the end it will likely require greater government subsidies and cost to keep premiums low.



LadyJasmine said:
The issue is with Obamacare is that it wont work in the long term as it has mostly older and sick people signing up while young people fail to enrol in the plan as they rather pay the penalty and think rather naively they won't get sick.

As a result, insurance companies move out of Obamacare and in the end it will likely require greater government subsidies and cost to keep premiums low.

The real problem is that healthcare is a for profit business. It needs to be wiped out and started out from scratch as a governmental free service for everyone instead of a for profit clusterf*** that leaves people in debt or in the grave.

Problem is they have to take out the existing system and they have lobbyists who will fight tooth and nail to keep the old system.



deskpro2k3 said:

ok so some of yall think a scenario like this is fake.

Jimmy Kimmel Live, "ACA Vs Obamacare", and this was from 2013..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE

Anyone can go out in public with a camera and prove any point if they're out there for 8 hours. Haven't you seen the one wanting to end Women's Suffrage?



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Lawlight said:
Isn't Obamacare considered a failure by everyone?

Yes but you don't claim you hate it when you're covered by it and then say you're not without looking like a dofus... 



Azuren said:
deskpro2k3 said:

ok so some of yall think a scenario like this is fake.

Jimmy Kimmel Live, "ACA Vs Obamacare", and this was from 2013..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE

Anyone can go out in public with a camera and prove any point if they're out there for 8 hours. Haven't you seen the one wanting to end Women's Suffrage?

 

c'mon man, not gonna comment on speculations, but can we stick to the topic, kthxbye.



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Even Trumps idea of removing borders for insurance companies won't work. If he does that it means that insurance becomes a interstate commerce issue and won't be regulated by the states and instead becomes a federal issue. On fundamental levels this won't work and could lead to bad things.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/12/06/Here-s-Problem-Trump-s-Plan-Sell-Health-Insurance-Across-State-Lines



deskpro2k3 said:
Azuren said:

Anyone can go out in public with a camera and prove any point if they're out there for 8 hours. Haven't you seen the one wanting to end Women's Suffrage?

 

c'mon man, not gonna comment on speculations, but can we stick to the topic, kthxbye.

It was on topic because you made it about juvenile "crowd questioning". I only pointed out that you can get nearly any desired effect by cutting together eight hours of public questioning. 



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As someone who doesn't understand politics this thread is very confusing...