All I'm saying is that is the potential difference in performance. The likelihood that Microsoft and muliplatform devs actually invest the money and effort into marking that happen is very unlikely. I honestly think that we won't actually see the full capability of the machine until the Scorpio is the base version of xbox(when the standard one gets discontinued). That's assuming Scorpio is a big enough success for a Scorpio 2 to release. That's a big assumption the way things are looking right now.

Well that isn't all you are saying.

You are expecting the best hardware available in almost all parts. Like expecting the newer RAM models, latest CPU architeture, etc... We can see even here you expecting Scoprio to be more than 2x the performance of PS4Pro. And this is the first time seeing you admiting that even if all your expectations in HW come true it may all be for naught because no one will tailor the game over the prowess of it.

But if you are already accepting that even if the HW is a beast no one will tame then at least you are prepared to being disapointed to some degree.

I'm not making wild assumptions on the hardware though. For ram I was just going off of the bandwidth that Microsoft has already stated 320gbs the pros is 218 gb per second. For gpu I'm going off of the 6tb gpu they already stated. I make the small assumption that it is vega. Which would make it about twice as capable as the pro's gpu. I'm not expecting the CPU to be crazy good or anything. 40% performance increase over the pros isn't that much. Considering the pro has a crap CPU 40% better isn't amazing.

I only make 2 assumptions vega gpu and a decent CPU.not an amazing CPU no type ryzen.

On RAM I saw assumptions that it could be HBM, on GPU Vega and yes there were ryzen for CPU... and while keeping under 400

I'm I don't even really know what HBM is so how could I make assumptions about it, actually I've never even uttered HBM before. I was simply saying Scorpios ram would have about 40% more performance than pro's. Going off of memory bandwidth it is actually 46% better performance 218gbs vs 320. I assume vega just like everybody else as that's the only thing that makes sense. As far a CPU I never said it would have ryzen, it could but I don't think it will. I think it will achieve 20-50% better performance than PS4 pros jaguars with puma+. as far as price goes I think if no ryzen than yes 399. But if it has a beefy CPU(ryzen)  than it could be 500$.

 It's like you make assumptions based on my assumptions. So ur trying to tell me that that it's going to be weaker than I think? I ask you where at. They already said the ram bandwidth actually they said 320+ so it could be more. They said 6tf gpu but they didn't say vega. Do you think it won't be vega? What about CPU do you think jaguar just like the pro, and if so what do you think it will be cloacked at? Remember the original Xbox one has higher cloacked jaguars than the standard PS4.

No one can afirm it will be weaker or stronger than you are guessing. But MS have been teeling it will be really strong and premium and then that it'll be console priced. They aren't very focused on their message. But if they really want to go for the sensitive price point, there isn't much point in going for newer and newer architetures.

And you may say you aren't overhyped, but all threads of Scorpio you have been making very high standard assumptions for the HW and what it would lead in terms of SW.

lol I make no assumptions as to the ram. And very minor ones to everything else, very minor.oh man me saying it's gunna have puma is just fanboy unrealistic expectations lol. And please don't make stuff up again I've never Ever said it would lead in software.