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Ssenkahdavic on 27 March 2010

Deeper Story Line: Xenogears.

Deeper Character Development: Planescape: Torment

Interesting Characters: Planescape: Torment (A Succubus that is chaste, a Mage who lite himself on fire for all eternity, Floating Armor, a Skull with Dentures! + Many More)  And Q does voice work in it, enough said!

Enjoyed both of them tremendously, however Planescape: Torment remains to this day one of my favorite games EVER on the PC (Just below All things Homeworld)



 

  

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aragod on 27 March 2010
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone wrote it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.



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The_vagabond7 on 27 March 2010
aragod said:
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone written it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.

I agree with this man here. It's just a pet peeve of mine, like that guy that used to frequent these boards saying that Metal Gear Solid was the greatest work of art produced in the past century, and that Kojima was the greatest thinker and philosopher of the 20th century. Not to belittle videogames as a medium, but where are we as a culture if people can say with a straight face that Xenogears and Kojima are deeper and more important that Dostoevsky and Wittgestein.



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libellule on 27 March 2010
Ssenkahdavic said:

Deeper Story Line: Xenogears.

Deeper Character Development: Planescape: Torment

Interesting Characters: Planescape: Torment (A Succubus that is chaste, a Mage who lite himself on fire for all eternity, Floating Armor, a Skull with Dentures! + Many More)  And Q does voice work in it, enough said!

Enjoyed both of them tremendously, however Planescape: Torment remains to this day one of my favorite games EVER on the PC (Just below All things Homeworld)

yeah, viva PT



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.jayderyu on 27 March 2010

uugg, not an easy comparison by far. I played both about a millenium ago. However the question is valid. Which is deeper.

Xenogears seems to focus on an very time spanning arc about repetition and the failure of humanity. Almost in a sense that the world is to grow and die(though caused by the Ella genes? sorry don't remember purple haired ladies gene immortality name anymore. I is fail). Our Hero reincarnates to repeat a cycle. Though something happens last cycle. He doesn't die or at least in part. Instead he conceives a large plot to bring this cycle of destruction to an end. In the heroes journey he is to discover who he was and to whom he can become.

Planescape Torment however seems to be focused more about the psychology of oneself. With the world being somewhat a backdrop. Again seeming to relive numerous lives. Each different in their own. A new life of oneself in a search of self discovery. Even down to the lower depths of ones self psych.

It's a touch call. Both have their ups and downs in regards to gameplay. Xenogears nails an exciting pace, yet Planescape balances it's pace with the ability to discover a sureal world. However the issue isn't which game is better. it's about which game is deeper.

I would give it to planescape since it seems to dive far more into the psyche than JRPG do. Though JRPG do have Psyche characters, they tend not to delve into the darkside by presenting it's horrors, but instead have mopy quite characters. They maybe fighting similar battles emotionally, but I think Planescape does a better job of portraying that internal fight.



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Kasz216 on 27 March 2010
The_vagabond7 said:
aragod said:
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone written it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.

I agree with this man here. It's just a pet peeve of mine, like that guy that used to frequent these boards saying that Metal Gear Solid was the greatest work of art produced in the past century, and that Kojima was the greatest thinker and philosopher of the 20th century. Not to belittle videogames as a medium, but where are we as a culture if people can say with a straight face that Xenogears and Kojima are deeper and more important that Dostoevsky and Wittgestein.

Haha, I remember him.  He stopped coming here after he claimed "The Dark Knight" ripped off metal gear solid because the main character had a raspy voice.  DGC something.



libellule on 27 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
aragod said:
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone written it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.

I agree with this man here. It's just a pet peeve of mine, like that guy that used to frequent these boards saying that Metal Gear Solid was the greatest work of art produced in the past century, and that Kojima was the greatest thinker and philosopher of the 20th century. Not to belittle videogames as a medium, but where are we as a culture if people can say with a straight face that Xenogears and Kojima are deeper and more important that Dostoevsky and Wittgestein.

Haha, I remember him.  He stopped coming here after he claimed "The Dark Knight" ripped off metal gear solid because the main character had a raspy voice.  DGC something.

I dont remember the guy but looking at this thread

I can only think about this question : WHERE are you rocketpig ?



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The_vagabond7 on 27 March 2010
libellule said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
aragod said:
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone written it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.

I agree with this man here. It's just a pet peeve of mine, like that guy that used to frequent these boards saying that Metal Gear Solid was the greatest work of art produced in the past century, and that Kojima was the greatest thinker and philosopher of the 20th century. Not to belittle videogames as a medium, but where are we as a culture if people can say with a straight face that Xenogears and Kojima are deeper and more important that Dostoevsky and Wittgestein.

Haha, I remember him.  He stopped coming here after he claimed "The Dark Knight" ripped off metal gear solid because the main character had a raspy voice.  DGC something.

I dont remember the guy but looking at this thread

I can only think about this question : WHERE are you rocketpig ?

Rocketpig used to delight in tearing that guy a new one back in the day. Man he was an ass, not rocketpig the DGC or whatever his name was.



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libellule on 28 March 2010
The_vagabond7 said:
libellule said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
aragod said:
ApolloCloud said:
JRPGs tell the best stories you can find in any medium, and Xenogears specifically is the very best the genre (and storytelling of any medium) has to offer.

It explores the philosophical ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Jacques Lacan, it delves into the nature of God, The Universe and existence, the nature of human memory, the struggle between man and machine, the horrors of war, ethics, politics, economics... the list goes on, and it does so with such detail and scope.

But beyond that it's quite simply just far more complex (complicated subject matter, complicated narrative, so much shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, with plot twists that make you question everything you had been lead to believe about the game's story) and compelling (helped considerably by its phenomenal music, as well as the fact that it touches on just about every single emotion of the player) than Planescape: Torment, and the same's also the case with Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Radical Dreamers, and the Xenosaga series.

Just because someone written it on wikipedia doesn't make it true. The game is still shallow when it comes to tackling these phenomens. And another thing is interpretation, you can pull Freud for any bullshit that comes to your mind, I can write essay about how Kratos is a deep and complex character. Nitezsche's work have not been yet understood and Jung's archetypes can be applied to absolutly anything.

You've made it sound like if Xenogears were the final product of the whole western philosophical tradition, which they are not.

I agree with this man here. It's just a pet peeve of mine, like that guy that used to frequent these boards saying that Metal Gear Solid was the greatest work of art produced in the past century, and that Kojima was the greatest thinker and philosopher of the 20th century. Not to belittle videogames as a medium, but where are we as a culture if people can say with a straight face that Xenogears and Kojima are deeper and more important that Dostoevsky and Wittgestein.

Haha, I remember him.  He stopped coming here after he claimed "The Dark Knight" ripped off metal gear solid because the main character had a raspy voice.  DGC something.

I dont remember the guy but looking at this thread

I can only think about this question : WHERE are you rocketpig ?

Rocketpig used to delight in tearing that guy a new one back in the day. Man he was an ass, not rocketpig the DGC or whatever his name was.

I know, even if I didnt followedd the whole discussion, I know rocketpig was "fighting" this guy

that is why I would like him to enter in the dance and say what he thinks of xenogear



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RageBot on 28 March 2010

Planescape has the deeper story, Xenogears has, in my opinion, the better one.



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