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Have you seen Star Trek TOS

Yes 30 88.24%
 
No but maybe I want to 1 2.94%
 
No 3 8.82%
 
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SegataSanshiro on 08 January 2017
Shadow1980 said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Generations is the last mainline film with Kirk,Spock,Scotty.

Actually, it was Chekov in Generations, not Spock.

Funny I was thinking chekov but typed spock because was also thinking of jj films. Brain fart



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h2ohno on 08 January 2017
Shadow1980 said:


Also, the Constitution-class refit from the TOS films is the single best-looking ship in the history of science fiction in my opinion.

Definately.  I totally get why Shatner tears up when he sees the refitted Enterprise in TMP.   It'd a gorgeous design.



Soundwave on 08 January 2017

To the OP, don't worry bro, you got a lot of terrific Trek to still catch up on!

TNG has a rough-ish first season but finds its bearings after that plus there are many nice cameos from TOS cast members. At its peak, it's a better show than TOS, of course TV had come a long way in 25+ years. 

Deep Space 9 is worth checking out, it's a bit different and like TNG it takes a season or two to really start going, but it's more of a "War Trek" show once it really gets going and that's kinda cool.

Voyager or Enterprise weren't really my thing, but they're ok I guess.

The TNG movies missed their potential, but are still worth watching. First Contact is by far the best of the bunch.

I revist TOS and TNG and their movies all the time, there's so much Trek that you can always keep coming back to it. 



Jumpin on 08 January 2017

TOS has a phenomenal season 1, but then it gets cheesy in season 2 and 3. The TOS movies are mostly great.

Enterprise is underrated.

TNG is overrated, despite still being a great series with some great movies.

DS9 and Voyager are both incredibly underrated simply because they came after TNG. Both DS9 and Voyager have a drastic change about halfway through: DS9 starts off as a gritty political drama where the station works to be a peacemaker between factions that have negative history, and are plotting against each other. The second half is more a story about a war without much war in it, and Sisko is like a messiah-type character who is an unstoppable mega-leader, more of an excuse to get off the station as much as possible in the Defiant. Then arguably there's the third part, where Sisko fails, and it's about him wandering around while the war continues, then he comes back and kills it.

The first few seasons of voyager are more about the survival of the ship, and getting home and had many more main characters, but then during season 3 they began narrowing the focus of the cast, killing off multiple side characters, and then making it mostly Star Janeway and 7 of 9, and then they focused on much stronger episodic content and less focus on the arcs.

I think all eras of both shows have heir merits. On DS9 I tended to enjoy the earlier part more, but I can't deny I enjoyed the who,e thing. On Voyager I liked the concept of the first half more, and loved the overall story, but overall enjoyed the episodes of the second part a lot more.

 

In the end, I think the experimentation of long story arcs in DS9 and Voyager were interesting, but ultimately, going beyond 1-2 seasons gets tiresome. Even today's shows, with all the practice and knowledge we know, tend to get tired after a while. That's why TV shows are moving toward 1 season arcs that are linked.



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h2ohno on 09 January 2017
spurgeonryan said:
h2ohno said:

TNG is only great from the 3rd season on. Its first season is complete trash. Just watch the pilot, Q-Who, and Measure of a Man from Seasons 1 and 2. But by season 3 you're in for a treat.

None of the other series are as consistently good as TOS.

Deep Space 9 actually has the most and the largest space battles out of any of the series. The difference between it and the other series is that it takes place on a space station instead of on a ship. There are 2 wars which take place over series 4-7, with hundreds of ships battling at a time. Its first season isn't as good as later seasons, but it is the only series after TOS to have a decent first season at all, and it ecen has some great episodes in its first season. It is the most consistently good series after TOS, It has the most action of any Star Trek series and is much darker than any of the other series. And is has 'The Sisko.'

Voyager and Enterprise have occasional moments, but they are overall crap. BS morals that change by the episode and scripts that literally have parts that are blank and just say 'technobable.  Enterprise eventually improved, but Voyager only is good when it focuses on the Doctor or on 7 of 9, and even then they ruin a good thing by overdoing it.

The only Next Gen movie worth seeing is First Contact. Generations is not a good sendoff for Kirk and crew, especially after how good Undiscovered Country was.

The recent 3 Star Trek movies are a decent reboot for the TOS crew with new actors.  Mindless action movies but good fun.

Voyager was leagues above DS9. Did not have the ratings because it was on UPN. Fox was bigger back then, if only by a bit.

I couldn't care less about ratings.  TOS had bad ratings despite being awesome.  But in the cases of DS9 and Voyager, one has been called "the most critically acclaimed" Star Trek series, while the other is responsible for the meme, "Welcome to the idiocy that is...Voyager."  Having seen all of DS9 and all of Voyager that I could stomache, I have to agree.