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abronn627 said:
Kerotan said:

Banned last month for insulting somebody when turning their logic on why we shouldn't be allowed use the term "gays" into other examples to prove my point. Fair enough. When I return from the 3 day ban, i find out my posts have to be approved by a moderator for an entire month.

 

Considering I'm now on too many gaming forums I said fuck this so did my best to get permabanned. I spent the guts of a month writing "wank" or a variation of that word alongside every post. The mods didn't approve the wank parts of my posts but also did nothing in terms of moderations. So I wrote "Uruguay" on the wall of the guy who I was banned over originally and now I'm banned permanently. I presume that's what it was for. 

Why did you need to be permabanned ? Wouldn’t be simpler to just stop visiting said forum ?

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 



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Kerotan said:
abronn627 said:

Why did you need to be permabanned ? Wouldn’t be simpler to just stop visiting said forum ?

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 

First step taken. :P



                                                                                                                                            

Kerotan said:
abronn627 said:

Why did you need to be permabanned ? Wouldn’t be simpler to just stop visiting said forum ?

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 

I did something similar at N4G, but I was WAY more over the top than you. I won't even repeat the gruesome things I said, but I will say that I only initially received a 3 day ban, which really only served to underscore why I was tanking my account on purpose to begin with. I also started to change my username, and used sketchy avatars. I can't even remember what my final username was. About a week in to the process, I referred to the female reviewer that lowballed Uncharted 4 as a hooker, and THAT'S what did me in. Poor SagataSanshiro. Roaming the N4G wastelands, eating cold beans straight out of the can. :(



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Kerotan said:
abronn627 said:

Why did you need to be permabanned ? Wouldn’t be simpler to just stop visiting said forum ?

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 



    

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CGI-Quality said:
Kerotan said:

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 

First step taken. :P

Haha very true. I may have my issues but I'm not delusional. 

COKTOE said:
Kerotan said:

I have a very addictive personality and find it hard to break old habbits. I wanted to be done with that forum but i knew I'd keep returning if I could. 

I did something similar at N4G, but I was WAY more over the top than you. I won't even repeat the gruesome things I said, but I will say that I only initially received a 3 day ban, which really only served to underscore why I was tanking my account on purpose to begin with. I also started to change my username, and used sketchy avatars. I can't even remember what my final username was. About a week in to the process, I referred to the female reviewer that lowballed Uncharted 4 as a hooker, and THAT'S what did me in. Poor SagataSanshiro. Roaming the N4G wastelands, eating cold beans straight out of the can. :(

Oh Jesus me to actually. But they banned me for a politically offensive username and I just never bothered resigning. N4g was a war back in the day. I wonder is the forum still active. 



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8944702

This moderation makes no sense. The ban note is essentially saying that you can't critique a topic or the OP of a topic, which is very counter-intuitive for a forum. It also doesn't make sense that part of the ban note states that I was "calling an entire fanbase too sensitive and insecure", because that is not what I was doing. I only wrote "Nintendo fans" because we were talking specifically about threads made to defend Nintendo, so the point I was making only pertained to the Nintendo fans who were in those threads. Nowhere did I say the entire fanbase was doing it. To do so would be to say that the entire Nintendo fanbase accumulated into three threads, which doesn't even make sense. In fact, I even say in the next line that I'm a Nintendo fan, so obviously my point was never that it applied to the entire fanbase. Saying Nintendo fans was me being matter of fact. 

The backseat moderation tag is also frankly nonsensical. Many people post replies agreeing or disagreeing with someone and fundamentally if you wanted to make a stretch, all of them can be seen as some form of telling users what they should or shouldn't post. Considering I posted nothing about moderation, and that all I did was question how much we needed more defense threads, it doesn't really fit the category of backseat moderating in the slightest. Unless agreeing or disagreeing with someone and questioning the point of their contribution is backseat moderation, in which case there's a lot of moderations that need to be handed out every day.

I'm in a VGChartz Nintendo discord and four people commented on the thread. Not one of them could understand the reason for the moderation. One of those people was GoOnKid, the OP. So if no one was offended or felt that my comments were malicious, why should I be moderated? 



As a reminder (per the OP): 

  • This should not be your first avenue to complain about bans. There is an email address for that, vgchartzmods@gmail.com.  Emails go to the entire mod team.  You can also speak with any member of the mod team if you have an issue with a moderation."
Just something to remember. I'll address it, though. In fairness to you, the mod note fails to mention that there were several posts that fall under Backseat Moderation (though the mod noted it on the post itself). Regardless, it was one thing to say it once, but it becomes an issue when you perpetuate what should/shouldn't exist. If there was an issue with the thread, or a repeat topic, etc, etc..... a report would have probably served you better. In that case, I did not see much wrong with letting the thread ride, but the Warning was due to the collective nature of it. Also, the part about the sensitivity of Nintendo fans was surely not the worst thing I've seen, but again, just the totality of that post and the other posts is what led to the moderation.

I would just advise bringing up issues with threads in a report in the future. That way, you remain anonymous and something like this can be totally avoided. 
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CGI-Quality said:

As a reminder (per the OP): 

  • This should not be your first avenue to complain about bans. There is an email address for that, vgchartzmods@gmail.com.  Emails go to the entire mod team.  You can also speak with any member of the mod team if you have an issue with a moderation."
Just something to remember. I'll address it, though. In fairness to you, the mod note fails to mention that there were several posts that fall under Backseat Moderation (though the mod noted it on the post itself). Regardless, it was one thing to say it once, but it becomes an issue when you perpetuate what should/shouldn't exist. If there was an issue with the thread, or a repeat topic, etc, etc..... a report would have probably served you better. In that case, I did not see much wrong with letting the thread ride, but the Warning was due to the collective nature of it. Also, the part about the sensitivity of Nintendo fans was surely not the worst thing I've seen, but again, just the totality of that post and the other post is what led to the moderation.

I would just advise taking bringing up issues with threads in a report in the future. That way, you remain anonymous and something like this can be totally avoided. 

So should I reply to this in the email then? 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
CGI-Quality said:

As a reminder (per the OP): 

  • This should not be your first avenue to complain about bans. There is an email address for that, vgchartzmods@gmail.com.  Emails go to the entire mod team.  You can also speak with any member of the mod team if you have an issue with a moderation."
Just something to remember. I'll address it, though. In fairness to you, the mod note fails to mention that there were several posts that fall under Backseat Moderation (though the mod noted it on the post itself). Regardless, it was one thing to say it once, but it becomes an issue when you perpetuate what should/shouldn't exist. If there was an issue with the thread, or a repeat topic, etc, etc..... a report would have probably served you better. In that case, I did not see much wrong with letting the thread ride, but the Warning was due to the collective nature of it. Also, the part about the sensitivity of Nintendo fans was surely not the worst thing I've seen, but again, just the totality of that post and the other post is what led to the moderation.

I would just advise taking bringing up issues with threads in a report in the future. That way, you remain anonymous and something like this can be totally avoided. 

So should I reply to this in the email then? 

Nah, we can discuss this in here since it has already began. Just for the future, use the email.



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

So should I reply to this in the email then? 

Nah, we can discuss this in here since it has already began. Just for the future, use the email.

Ok. 

For starters, I actually knew that Amy was talking about all my replies in that thread so I'm ok on that end. That's why I linked the reply that didn't receive the moderation warning, because it was obvious she was referencing that one more so than the other one. 

I simply don't see what is backseat moderating about it. My point was not whether or not the thread was "legal" on VGChartz, but rather why it was needed. I don't think that's a criminal offense. I don't think I should have reported the thread either, in fact I think that would be much worse than actually discussing the thread with the topic creator. Discussion is what this site is for and it's much better to dissect an OP than just report it, especially because he didn't do anything wrong by creating the thread. 

Most arguments come from a similar mindset anyways and have the same end result. When you argue with someone you're doing it because you believe your position more than theirs. The end goal of arguing is to have the other party come to the conclusion that they can agree with your position. That's most discussion on this site. And the final result of that agreement is that they don't repeatedly say/post similar comments in the future. So in the end the result is the exact same, they don't post comments that they now view as unnecessary or wrong. What I wrote wasn't that different from any other discussion, it just started with the necessity of the thread as a starting point. 

My posts wouldn't have changed that drastically either had I just not questioned how much the thread was needed. It's not like I just kept repeating that and left it at that. I provided a counter-point for the OP which was the backbone of my argument.  Had i just kept repeating it nonstop - yes, maybe it would have been a bit douchey. But I basically just repeated it as much as GoOnKid replied, because that was the point we were discussing. I only repeated it because we were discussing the comment, the moment that he stopped replying I didn't interfere with the thread further.

In hindsight it simply would have been better to just cut to the chase and explain why the argument wasn't well thought out, but I just don't think it's harmful enough for a moderation (Not that I'd care about a warning but, the progressive ban system and all).