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Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

Once upon a time there was a poster with an agenda and the two of us dismantled him. After our deed was done, I wrote *high fives polar bear* and you responded with *high fives Kim Possible*. That's how it should be done.

I remember that high five

Can't remember what it was for though. But I can't agree with banning people for merely not commenting on their own thread, especially if you're letting pages of backseat moderating (in the same thread no less!) go, even if it were to get me another Rol high five.

I didn't even mention wanting him banned though, to my knowledge. I think a ban is too extreme, but he should at least have to have better OPs if he wants to make threads.



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vivster said:

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His most famous British "rape culture" thread was nothing more than an attack against foreign minorities and the allegedly inaction of evil leftists, insinuating that people were deliberately covering up the crimes. All the while hiding behind this "innocent" post about a terrible tragedy. Mods came into the thread believing the thread was about the victims when it was a thinly veiled attack against an ideology he doesn't agree with, using the victims as his political playballs. But by never saying a thing, he could just claim it was all about the poor victims when he himself knows that wasn't true.

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People were covering it up though. Social workers, teachers, police and politicians. If denying that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust is a bannable offence, I don't see why denying millions of child rapes isn't.



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RolStoppable said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Definitely! I don't want a forum littered with shitty threads where people are trying to push an agenda. Let the news speak for itself, who gives a fuck what the OP's intent is? Their opinion on the topic (if any) should be the same as any other posters and can be added later in the thread or even in the 2nd post, let the OP itself just be an extract of the source that's being used and a link to it. If there's nothing to discuss then don't discuss it, there's plenty of threads that quickly fade away and die because nobody is interested.

Ka-pi, don't lose focus. This is about a very specific case, not general behavior and expectations.

People here are advocating for action in this situation and in similar situations in the future. So it is about general behavior.



Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

If I just wanted the news, I'd go to the news sites themselves. The reason why we have forums is to discuss a topic and our viewpoints. VGChartz itself even has news articles, so if you just want the news itself you can go there, and there are even comments for people to respond to them.

People are perfectly capable of discussing news with a neutral OP, a perfect example is the "CDPR reveals Witcher 3 platform split and physical/digital split" thread here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=235371&page=1

Flashfire posted the information and didn't try push an agenda and force discussion to go a certain way, but people were still able to discuss it and debate over multiple different things. Having a neutral OP actually allows discussion of "our viewpoints", rather than just the OP's.

The main reason I visit VGC is for the news and I don't want that ruined. And no, the articles aren't a great source for that since they are often posted much later than the news hits the forum and the article comment sections are too awkward to have a proper discussion about something.

The issue with Numberwang is that 90% of his threads are 1) Not newsworthy at all, 2) Using a totally unreliable source, or 3) Taking stuff out of context / misleading news.

This is the same thing as an XBox fan reporting about every single negative thing he can find about Sony.



COKTOE said:
Aeolus451 said:
An OP posting a thread without any initial input is kinda normal here. Hell, most OPs don't even post or participate in their own threads.

I'm disappointed Spurgeonryan has seemingly abandoned his latest thread about flinging heaps of garbage from his car window. I want to learn as much as I can about him before any potential depositions, court cases, ect.

Well, if a makes a thread about getting a ticket later on, we'll have a good guess on what it was on. 😸



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Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

If I just wanted the news, I'd go to the news sites themselves. The reason why we have forums is to discuss a topic and our viewpoints. VGChartz itself even has news articles, so if you just want the news itself you can go there, and there are even comments for people to respond to them.

People are perfectly capable of discussing news with a neutral OP, a perfect example is the "CDPR reveals Witcher 3 platform split and physical/digital split" thread here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=235371&page=1

Flashfire posted the information and didn't try push an agenda and force discussion to go a certain way, but people were still able to discuss it and debate over multiple different things. Having a neutral OP actually allows discussion of "our viewpoints", rather than just the OP's.

The main reason I visit VGC is for the news and I don't want that ruined. And no, the articles aren't a great source for that since they are often posted much later than the news hits the forum and the article comment sections are too awkward to have a proper discussion about something.

I basically agree with Ka-pi.  OP should be as neutral as possible, allowing the discussion to flow in whatever directions the commenters want.  

With that said, I think the real problem is that this gaming site allows political posts.  IMO, it has no business on this site, and does nothing but make the experience here worse.  There are thousands (literally) of sites to argue politics.  There aren't many to discuss video game sales.  We should stick to what we're good at.  



Bristow9091 said:
VAMatt said:
I'd suggest that any official moderation activity that is posted within a thread be given some sort of tag so that users know what's going on. Something as simple as *moderation* or *warning* would do the trick. In some cases, comments that are made by moderators in a normal, conversational style are considered official acts. This confuses me, and likely confuses others as well. Several times I've had to look for the moderator badge to determine whether a comment was joking, trolling, or moderating.

I'm assuming this is aimed at my comment from yesterday. The only time I say "moderated" or "warned" is if I actually give the user a moderation. In this case, however, it was a thread warning, and I think my wording would suggest it was even if I didn't specifically use the word "warning".

I agree that your wording "suggested" that it was a thread warning.  But, I didn't know that until someone else jumped in and said so.   So, I missed the warning.

I don't see why mods don't just say what they mean, straight out.  There's really nothing to lose by doing so, and it eliminates the risk of someone missing the warning, or otherwise misunderstanding what's happening.    Something like: "Hey guys, if you guys are gonna start your usual crap, don't.  Consider this a thread warning"  Or even more explicit *thread warning* before or after whatever commentary the mod is going to provide.  



Bristow9091 said:
StarOcean said:
Yo, you guys going to do anything? I know you guys have seen the reports and are active. The people here have also reported said thread. It's a hit-and-run thread for the purpose of sowing discord on the site. I know that politics ain't a fun thing to deal with as a mod -but you can't ignore them. Because all these political topics have served as is a refugee camp for trolls banned from gaming discussion. There is no regulation or moderation for the topic at all. It's gotten worse and worse. Hire a mod that'll work on politics exclusively if you hate the topic so much. Either that or remove it all together. But, at the very least -do something. It's a growing cancer in this community.

What if we're active but haven't looked at the reports yet? Or if some of us haven't been active all day due to work and are only just getting online now? :o

You're right with one thing, politics isn't a fun thing to deal with, but we don't ignore the threads, it may seem that way because we're usually slower with making decisions when it comes to political threads, but that's usually because we're talking about it ourselves and finding the best solution. It's not fair to just blatantly lock a thread just because people have different opinions to the OP, although I will admit that the thread you're referring to doesn't really have an opinion in the OP... I've only just seen the thread today and it seems to have gone off a bit, lol (I'm a busy guy, I don't see every thread, and the same will go for other mods I'm sure). It's also not fair to get rid of the politics section altogether, since there can be some decent debates/conversations in there too, and I think if we were ever to get rid of it, it'd only be through a community vote or something, not really sure to be honest but I imagine that'd be it.

Then again I don't think the politics section itself is the "growing cancer" in the community, I think the users that can't help themselves, refuse to accept opinions, and can't hold back while posting in there are the problem, and despite telling them to stay away from political threads, they never seem to listen... 

This thread will be have been up for two days starting tonight. I know you guys just don’t like dealing with them. That’s not a criticism though. I know the sorta bullshit that happens when you close or ban people in them. You get called names, threatened, spammed, labeled, etc. you name it. It sucks. But at the same time, these threads do need to be moderated better. We all know it. We don’t have anyone for that though. None of us are political commentators, we’re gamers first and foremost. But would it be a bad idea to get a mod who worked exclusively for politics?

I think the rules need to be more enforced or at least we need more rules for these kinds of threads. But at the same time I call in to question these threads existence due to the fact no one wants to deal with them. You don’t, the people of the site don’t. This is a gaming site, we aren’t equipped for political moderation. That’s why it takes so long to deal with these situations. 

Also, that last part, ha ha... very funny



This thread is getting abused, this thread should not be the place to complain about certain users. Neither for why does moderating hasnt happend yet? The moderating team is not your personal service even if you feel they are.
The very first incarnation was based on actual bans and feedback on those and i think it should go back to that purpose and stop all this backseat modding which is a funnily enough a forum rule



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Bristow9091 said:

StarOcean said: 

This thread will be have been up for two days starting tonight. I know you guys just don’t like dealing with them. That’s not a criticism though. I know the sorta bullshit that happens when you close or ban people in them. You get called names, threatened, spammed, labeled, etc. you name it. It sucks. But at the same time, these threads do need to be moderated better. We all know it. We don’t have anyone for that though. None of us are political commentators, we’re gamers first and foremost. But would it be a bad idea to get a mod who worked exclusively for politics?

I think the rules need to be more enforced or at least we need more rules for these kinds of threads. But at the same time I call in to question these threads existence due to the fact no one wants to deal with them. You don’t, the people of the site don’t. This is a gaming site, we aren’t equipped for political moderation. That’s why it takes so long to deal with these situations. 

Also, that last part, ha ha... very funny

First part; Yeah it's never fun doing your job and getting abuse and shit hurled at you... although I do think we're being harsher when it comes to political threads, even if there are some we're missing, we're working on it, and this thread aside, I think it's showing (I did close that thread by the way)

Second part; I actually had a small conversation with @Ryuu (Yeah I'm tagging you, deal with it!) about the rules revolving around controversial threads. This has been noted and I guess we'll see what happens... personally I don't think EVERY thread needs an opinion piece in the OP if they're linking an article with an excerpt, although I think it should be a requirement if it's a controversial topic. Haven't heard what anyone else has to say about that yet though, but talking about it is the first step, right?

Third part; It honestly wasn't meant as anything, I guess I just have a limited vocabulary, lol :P 

I know that feeling. I remember back in early 2016... Hillary supporters called me a facist POS and the Trump supporters called me communist Hillary lover. Both said I was blocking away their freedoms by locking their shit slinging threads XD Dunno if you were around at the time but we had to ban a dude who kept PMing me about me “censoring” him. Forget what he posted, but I think they were political spam threads... Almost quit back then cause of all that crap. It sucks. And yeah, if you are being harsher, good. I decided I’m a bit more neutral. Though, in that last thread -had a little fun at the end XD but whatever, I’m going to start seeing if these political threads can actually create more meaningful discussion. When they end up crap like the last one, Im going to report it -thank you for closing it btw. 

Something about that should be done. Too many people can skirt rules when they post controversial threads. And no, not every thread NEEDS one. But if you’re gonna post stuff like in the last thread, posting inflammatory crap and then running away to watch the fire isn’t acceptable either. A posters history should be a factor too.