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RolStoppable said:
RavenXtra said:

Very much this last part, I can't tell you how many times I've heard from users about how they can't be bothered to report a comment or post that goes against the rules, yet complain that action isn't being taken.

Whether a reported comment gets you the instant gratification of a moderation in response to it is irrelevant. It builds us build a case or helps give us an idea of where resources need to be applied on the forum, whether or not that report gets acted upon. Repeated and consistent reporting of comments helps give us eyes where me may otherwise not be currently looking, because as Carl said, we can't be reading every post in every thread at all times.

The role of constantly reporting to authorities isn't something that people strive for, probably because it's taught from a very young age that nobody likes such persons. Therefore a widespread reliance among the community that other members file reports seems normal, because hardly anyone likes to be the person who reports.

Need to change the phrase from "snitches get stitches" to something along the lines of "snitches get Vgchart $s"?



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Carl2291 said:
Kerotan said:

Well I got a warning for 2 reports I made recently. A poster who I won't mention to avoid controversy (although Carl will probably name him anyway). The poster had called out 2 users who were not actually present in the thread. I made 2 quick reports under the assumption he was shit talking them. I didn't know the backstory so wasn't 100% sure whether he was entitled to or not.

Anyway long story short I get a warning from Carl saying I'm trying to pull the wool over their eyes to get this guy banned and some other reason I can't remember. Doesn't sound like the mod team are too open to certain users flagging potential posts. As I said to him I've not exactly been making 10 reports per day.

Two things. Firstly I just want to say that you, Kerotan, are a liar. Secondly, of course I'm going to name the person you were reporting, because it's key to the case. If you want to complain about things like this, I'm going to be very open with what happened and what was said.

This is the thread - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=234978

You reported OTBWY twice, for the following reasons.

1) "Flaming lawlight. Shouldn't be name dropping him like that." - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8739838#content

2) "Calling out Pinkie_pie. Second time in this thread he calls out a poster." - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8740601#content

Now in your post you say that these users weren't actually present in the thread. This is why you're a liar. Not only were they participating in the thread, but they were directly participating in discussion about apparent stock shortages.

Proof of Lawlight -

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738139
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738157
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738181
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738785
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738784

Proof of Pinkie_pie -

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738043
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738062
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738936
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8739898

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As I said to you in the warning, I can think of only 2 reasons why you would be reporting those posts. 1) You're trying to fool the mod team into thinking OTBWY is calling out Lawlight and Pinkie_pie while they're not participating in discussion, specifically around shortages in that thread, or 2) you're really just ignorant on the what's allowed on the forums. The warning will serve as a reminder of what is and isn't acceptable in reports.

Reporting legitimate problems is fine. Repeatedly abusing the report function on a specific user when they've done nothing wrong isn't fine.

Repeatedly? I reported 1 user twice for effectively the same thing. I didn't realise the other posters were in the thread otherwise I'd not have reported it. Do you actually believe I'd think the mods wouldn't check properly before moderating him? I think more highly of the mods standards then that. Why would they just go off my word? 

 

Clearly that was a very harsh warning for me. 



RolStoppable said:
CGI-Quality said:

Then something has to give. We can't be expected to be at 100 places at a time, and if users don't report, we won't know when there are problems. On the other hand, we can be a little more active, too. So both sides need to give a little.

I agree with that.

Carl and Raven offered the mod team perspective, I offered the community perspective. My intent wasn't to put the blame on the mod team, but merely to provide a full explanation why nothing happens at times.

EDIT: I mean, the community has to do its part and file more reports regardless of the perception that reporting to authorities is frowned upon.

The fact that certain mods have mentioned who reported who many times recently shows its clearly frowned upon. Now it doesn't embarrass me or put me off reporting people but the intent is there and this intent will clearly put many posters off reporting people if they are the type who wants to avoid confrontation.

 

This problem will persist as long as certain mods don't respect the anonymity of the people reporting posts. 



Kerotan said:

Repeatedly? I reported 1 user twice for effectively the same thing. I didn't realise the other posters were in the thread otherwise I'd not have reported it. Do you actually believe I'd think the mods wouldn't check properly before moderating him? I think more highly of the mods standards then that. Why would they just go off my word? 

Clearly that was a very harsh warning for me. 

You're lying again, Kerotan.

You say you didn't realize that those people were posting in that thread, but one of your very own posts in that thread has a quote from Lawlight - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738943

Kerotan said:

The fact that certain mods have mentioned who reported who many times recently shows its clearly frowned upon. Now it doesn't embarrass me or put me off reporting people but the intent is there and this intent will clearly put many posters off reporting people if they are the type who wants to avoid confrontation.

This problem will persist as long as certain mods don't respect the anonymity of the people reporting posts. 

I think that I'm free to mention who reports who if those doing the reporting are making it an issue in a public thread.

If you report someone and come here to ask us why it wasn't handled, instead of through a private PM, it's only right for us to be as transparent as possible in our explanation of what happened. You're welcoming that by asking us here, in the open. If you're coming into this thread to complain about a warning for abusing the report function, I'm going to give the low-down on why you were moderated for abusing the report function.

Don't bring issues to the mod thread if you're wanting things to remain private. That's why we have PM's. That's why you're told to PM the head moderator if you're unhappy with an action taken by a member of the team.



                            

So why was it only a warning anyway? Isn't he kind of like a repeat offender? Or are moderations on reports on a different scale?



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vivster said:
So why was it only a warning anyway? Isn't he kind of like a repeat offender? Or are moderations on reports on a different scale?

He's never had a moderation for abusing reports and let's be honest, it's among the most minor of infractions.

It didn't deserve a ban, just a slap on the wrists as a reminder of what is and in't going to be tolerated.



                            

Carl2291 said:
vivster said:
So why was it only a warning anyway? Isn't he kind of like a repeat offender? Or are moderations on reports on a different scale?

He's never had a moderation for abusing reports and let's be honest, it's among the most minor of infractions.

It didn't deserve a ban, just a slap on the wrists as a reminder of what is and in't going to be tolerated.

Fair enough.



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RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:

Repeatedly? I reported 1 user twice for effectively the same thing. I didn't realise the other posters were in the thread otherwise I'd not have reported it. Do you actually believe I'd think the mods wouldn't check properly before moderating him? I think more highly of the mods standards then that. Why would they just go off my word? 

Clearly that was a very harsh warning for me. 

I think most people can believe that you would try to take a chance like that. After all, in the more distant past you tried to get me moderated for backseat moderating in a thread of yours that I said has no right to exist (it got locked shortly afterwards). In the more recent past, you tried to get me moderated for racism.

So your actions do form a pattern and you were due for a warning. There could be more cases of you trying to pull such a stunt that I am not aware of, but the mod team would know.

If I feel it deserves a moderation I make a short report. Its not my job to do all the investigating. Or else I'd be a mod. 

Carl2291 said:
Kerotan said:

Repeatedly? I reported 1 user twice for effectively the same thing. I didn't realise the other posters were in the thread otherwise I'd not have reported it. Do you actually believe I'd think the mods wouldn't check properly before moderating him? I think more highly of the mods standards then that. Why would they just go off my word? 

Clearly that was a very harsh warning for me. 

You're lying again, Kerotan.

You say you didn't realize that those people were posting in that thread, but one of your very own posts in that thread has a quote from Lawlight - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8738943

Kerotan said:

The fact that certain mods have mentioned who reported who many times recently shows its clearly frowned upon. Now it doesn't embarrass me or put me off reporting people but the intent is there and this intent will clearly put many posters off reporting people if they are the type who wants to avoid confrontation.

This problem will persist as long as certain mods don't respect the anonymity of the people reporting posts. 

I think that I'm free to mention who reports who if those doing the reporting are making it an issue in a public thread.

If you report someone and come here to ask us why it wasn't handled, instead of through a private PM, it's only right for us to be as transparent as possible in our explanation of what happened. You're welcoming that by asking us here, in the open. If you're coming into this thread to complain about a warning for abusing the report function, I'm going to give the low-down on why you were moderated for abusing the report function.

Don't bring issues to the mod thread if you're wanting things to remain private. That's why we have PM's. That's why you're told to PM the head moderator if you're unhappy with an action taken by a member of the team.

Again not lying. If I was aware at the time I'd not make myself look silly in the report. The last week its been a blizzard here and the whole country shut down. Nobody was working, nobody leaving the house. Sleeping patterns all over the place. I'm not surprised  id completely over looked theobvious.

 

 

That's the truth. I don't appreciate your accusations of being a liar. 



Kerotan said: 

Again not lying. If I was aware at the time I'd not make myself look silly in the report. The last week its been a blizzard here and the whole country shut down. Nobody was working, nobody leaving the house. Sleeping patterns all over the place. I'm not surprised  id completely over looked theobvious.

That's the truth. I don't appreciate your accusations of being a liar. 

Because of the weather you didn't notice all of Lawlight or Pinkie_pie's posts in the thread, including a post you directly quoted, but you noticed OTBWY enough to report him twice.

Okay.

I think it's time you backed out of this thread if you have nothing worthwhile to add.



                            

RolStoppable said:
RavenXtra said:

Very much this last part, I can't tell you how many times I've heard from users about how they can't be bothered to report a comment or post that goes against the rules, yet complain that action isn't being taken.

Whether a reported comment gets you the instant gratification of a moderation in response to it is irrelevant. It builds us build a case or helps give us an idea of where resources need to be applied on the forum, whether or not that report gets acted upon. Repeated and consistent reporting of comments helps give us eyes where me may otherwise not be currently looking, because as Carl said, we can't be reading every post in every thread at all times.

The role of constantly reporting to authorities isn't something that people strive for, probably because it's taught from a very young age that nobody likes such persons. Therefore a widespread reliance among the community that other members file reports seems normal, because hardly anyone likes to be the person who reports.

Yeah I understand that, having a forum full of snitches with ulterior motives isn't an ideal solution either. I don't think users have to be out to get another user to report something though, even a simple report to the effect of "things seem pretty heated in this thread, you guys should take a look if you can" is perfectly fine in my opinion.