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Aeolus451 said:
Player2 said:

Although it isn't related to the topic at had, I'll answer: I don't remember saying anything to Rol or other people who claimed that the Wii U would fail, so you're wrong again.

You haven't adressed the holes in your theory I pointed out in my previous post. Or how announcing that they'll keep producing the SNES mini in 2018 due to increased demand fits in it. Or why they somehow forget to use shortages with their products that are a failure (the ones that needed them the most). I mean, if Microsoft can create Xbox shortages in Japan, Nintendo should be a ble to create them too.

You say that the person responsible of the shortages would've been fired years ago. And who would be his/her infallible replacement?  One of those industry analysts who can't agree on the potential of their products? You, who predicted 30-40M Switches lifetime this summer? Yeah, I'm sure Nintendo would've shipped more Switches to Japan than just enough to match the sales of the system with the best first year ever (a system that has sold over 20M in Japan alone) if you were in charge.

And it wouldn't be so bad if you just posted and didn't call gullible to users who disagree with your views.

I was talking about ninty fans in general so I'm right on that. Do you think that my point hinges on if you said something or not. lol It's possible that you said something considering your reaction to me but you did specifically doesn't matter. 

What holes? Announcing they'll keep producing more minis doesn't matter because they can say anything and no one is gonna hold them to it like it's some kind of contract. They can increase production each year and make sure it doesn't quite meet demand or have too much supply. Scarcity marketing only works on hot products because there has to be some demand in the first place. MS doesn't treat any market outside of the US seriouslly and I don't see why you're bringing up xbox. 

It doesn't matter who the replacement and I never offered a suggestion. That's a strawman because that point is anyone who fucks up that much would be fired. Who gets job doesn't matter.

What analysts say doesn't matter in this. They're guessing for the most part and nintendo has the best idea out of anyone how in demand their product is and they know exactly how much product they can purchase. 

So? It could play out like that. The wii u sold less than most low ball predictions. There's some ninty fans with prections for the NS being around 150 mil. It's just a prediction. It's not end of the world. 

 

What a way to cherry pick that post. Let's some add some context. 

"Yeah, man. The shortages happen.... because nintendo is so incompetent...I meant because nintendo has a hard time predicting demand.... that they haven't figured out how to not have to shortages since the NES. 

There's no way nintendo is using scarcity marketing to help sell their products..... even though they do timed sales, limited run products, limited special editions of products, had repeated shortages over a wide range of their products and...... turned digital DLC (no shortages because it's digital) into toy-like figurines that give you access to exclusive DLC which.... somehow had shortages all the time. 

gul·li·ble  (gŭl′ə-bəl)

adj.

Easily deceived or duped."

 

I didn't just call ninty fans gullible and just dip out. Honestly, it wasn't wise to cherry pick/quote that particular post from me.....

Regarding the SNES mini, what matters isn't that they're making more, it's that they've came out and said "don't worry, we'll make more". If you're using scarcity marketing you don't say that your limited product isn't so limited anymore.

The holes in your theory, you ask?

1 - Why Nintendo didn't use shortages to increase demand of their worse selling consoles like the Wii U?

2 - If Nintendo is as good as you claim at gauging interest, why they make duds like the Gamecube or the Wii U from time to time?

3 - If Nintendo is as good at predicting demand as you claim, why they had a negative shipment of consoles a few years ago?

I brought up Xbox shortages in Japan to block you from trying to escape to point 1 with "well duh, they can't create shortages with such a low demand". Yes, they can. I don't have all day for this, that's why I did it.

 

Aeolus451 said:

It doesn't matter who the replacement and I never offered a suggestion. That's a strawman because that point is anyone who fucks up that much would be fired. Who gets job doesn't matter.

What analysts say doesn't matter in this. They're guessing for the most part and nintendo has the best idea out of anyone how in demand their product is and they know exactly how much product they can purchase. 

Yes, the replacement matters becuase you can't expect 100% forecast accuracy after getting rid of the guy who messed up if a being/thing with said "superpower" doesn't exist to replace him. Independent analysts have the same skills as the guys who do that job at Nintendo's, so I looked at them as an indicator of what should I expect from that guy's replacement. Nintendo has preorder numbers which means nothing because they're always better than the ones of the previous system. Even Wii U had good preorder numbers. Let's forget that you don't know what is a strawman...

Since we know what you think of the Switch, I put you in charge to add context because this is about you making illogical posts, remember?

 

Yeah, great way to add context by omitting that it was't a standalone post, but a reply to Mnementh (I hope I wrote that right). This is the entire post, for the lazy:

Aeolus451 said:
Mnementh said:
But, but, ... Nintendo artificially creates this shortages to INCREASE demand!

Yeah, man. The shortages happen.... because nintendo is so incompetent...I meant because nintendo has a hard time predicting demand.... that they haven't figured out how to not have to shortages since the NES. 

There's no way nintendo is using scarcity marketing to help sell their products..... even though they do timed sales, limited run products, limited special editions of products, had repeated shortages over a wide range of their products and...... turned digital DLC (no shortages because it's digital) into toy-like figurines that give you access to exclusive DLC which.... somehow had shortages all the time. 

gul·li·ble  (gŭl′ə-bəl)

adj.

Easily deceived or duped.

You called him gullible.



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Player2 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I was talking about ninty fans in general so I'm right on that. Do you think that my point hinges on if you said something or not. lol It's possible that you said something considering your reaction to me but you did specifically doesn't matter. 

What holes? Announcing they'll keep producing more minis doesn't matter because they can say anything and no one is gonna hold them to it like it's some kind of contract. They can increase production each year and make sure it doesn't quite meet demand or have too much supply. Scarcity marketing only works on hot products because there has to be some demand in the first place. MS doesn't treat any market outside of the US seriouslly and I don't see why you're bringing up xbox. 

It doesn't matter who the replacement and I never offered a suggestion. That's a strawman because that point is anyone who fucks up that much would be fired. Who gets job doesn't matter.

What analysts say doesn't matter in this. They're guessing for the most part and nintendo has the best idea out of anyone how in demand their product is and they know exactly how much product they can purchase. 

So? It could play out like that. The wii u sold less than most low ball predictions. There's some ninty fans with prections for the NS being around 150 mil. It's just a prediction. It's not end of the world. 

 

What a way to cherry pick that post. Let's some add some context. 

"Yeah, man. The shortages happen.... because nintendo is so incompetent...I meant because nintendo has a hard time predicting demand.... that they haven't figured out how to not have to shortages since the NES. 

There's no way nintendo is using scarcity marketing to help sell their products..... even though they do timed sales, limited run products, limited special editions of products, had repeated shortages over a wide range of their products and...... turned digital DLC (no shortages because it's digital) into toy-like figurines that give you access to exclusive DLC which.... somehow had shortages all the time. 

gul·li·ble  (gŭl′ə-bəl)

adj.

Easily deceived or duped."

 

I didn't just call ninty fans gullible and just dip out. Honestly, it wasn't wise to cherry pick/quote that particular post from me.....

Regarding the SNES mini, what matters isn't that they're making more, it's that they've came out and said "don't worry, we'll make more". If you're using scarcity marketing you don't say that your limited product isn't so limited anymore.

The holes in your theory, you ask?

1 - Why Nintendo didn't use shortages to increase demand of their worse selling consoles like the Wii U?

2 - If Nintendo is as good as you claim at gauging interest, why they make duds like the Gamecube or the Wii U from time to time?

3 - If Nintendo is as good at predicting demand as you claim, why they had a negative shipment of consoles a few years ago?

I brought up Xbox shortages in Japan to block you from trying to escape to point 1 with "well duh, they can't create shortages with such a low demand". Yes, they can. I don't have all day for this, that's why I did it.

 

They're making more amiibos, NS and NES mini but scarcity marketing is still being used with all of those. Do you guys not read my posts when I explained this stuff over and over? It's obvious that you're not or something because the very thread that you linked my post saying someone is guilllble has multiple posts that explain the what scarcity marketing is and how it works. 

"Does Nintendo have sales for limited periods of time? Does it have limited edition/run products? Yes and yes? That's scarcity marketing. 

Amiibo is also scarcity marketing in a variety of different ways. They do took digital DLC that has unlimited supply and turned it into a bunch of different collectable figurines that have a very limited supply. Because it now has a limited supply and collectable, there's more demand for it then there would have been if it was just digital dlc. By your dense logic, they shouldn't have created amiibos or that they shouldn't have sold so well because "again, make it scarce, so they can sell less of them, because that is great business, amirite?". 

I'll try to explain this concept in a different way because you're confused on how it works. I'm gonna use the following parts as an example, I'm not quoting actual hard numbers. It's an example. Can we both agree that nintendo's goal is to sell all of their stock and make people want more? Okay good.

Let's say that nintendo can produce 5 million switches per month and that's their max production ability. I'm saying that they're taking 2 million switches from each month to store in a warehouse to create a "shortage" while the 3 million from each month sell out. They do this all year til black friday and the holidays. Because there's a shortage, there's more desire from consumers to obtain the product. This is when they unleash all of their stored switches into the market and they sell out. They don't lose any sales. They sold everything and there's alot more hype for the product because it's harder to get. Plus, the sold out headlines make investors happy." 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8545070

 

"There was more to that especially on the bottom. 

They are still producing the same amount whether they sell throughout the year naturally or saving some for the holidays. They can only produce so many a year either way. What matters is if they sell what they produce. I'm sure they are trying to increase the maxium limits of what they can produce while they're withholding products that are sitting in a warehouse for later. "

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8545084

1. Again, because scarcity marketing only works with products in the demand in the first place. Nintendo would have to give Wii Us away for free and people still wouldn't play it because it lacks good games that people want.

2. Strawman much? So you're trying to get me to defend a position or opinion that I don't have. 

3. Because they can make crap products just like any other company. 

You call those holes in my points?  

Player2 said:

 

 

Aeolus451 said:

It doesn't matter who the replacement and I never offered a suggestion. That's a strawman because that point is anyone who fucks up that much would be fired. Who gets job doesn't matter.

What analysts say doesn't matter in this. They're guessing for the most part and nintendo has the best idea out of anyone how in demand their product is and they know exactly how much product they can purchase. 

Yes, the replacement matters becuase you can't expect 100% forecast accuracy after getting rid of the guy who messed up if a being/thing with said "superpower" doesn't exist to replace him. Independent analysts have the same skills as the guys who do that job at Nintendo's, so I looked at them as an indicator of what should I expect from that guy's replacement. Nintendo has preorder numbers which means nothing because they're always better than the ones of the previous system. Even Wii U had good preorder numbers. Let's forget that you don't know what is a strawman...

Since we know what you think of the Switch, I put you in charge to add context because this is about you making illogical posts, remember?

 

Yeah, great way to add context by omitting that it was't a standalone post, but a reply to Mnementh (I hope I wrote that right). This is the entire post, for the lazy:

You called him gullible.

I don't have to offer up any replacement. it's irrelevant to my points. Don't you agree that anyone who fucks on their job that costs their company millions of dollars would be fired? Ok, we're clear on that. My point was that anyone who messes up and causes shortages on that scale by accident would have been fired. There was shorages over decades with multiple products. He wasn't fired because it was on purpose and controlled. Who would have replaced him has jack shit to do with my point. It's a strawman because it's meant to derail my point. 

To that bolded part. Omitting? My post had alot more than just "You're gullible" and that's why you're cherry picking without any context or you're incapable of reading anything more than a few sentences.. That's why I quoted the post. 



Bandorr said:
So how does the moderation team feel about the word dotard?

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Am I stupid or is it seriously hard to look up threads in the forum search?



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Am I stupid or is it seriously hard to look up threads in the forum search?                                     

It is hard.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Am I stupid or is it seriously hard to look up threads in the forum search?

Your best bet is to use Google to search for VGC forums :p



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VGPolyglot said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Am I stupid or is it seriously hard to look up threads in the forum search?                                     

It is hard.

Glad i'm not a total idiot

Platina said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Am I stupid or is it seriously hard to look up threads in the forum search?

Your best bet is to use Google to search for VGC forums :p

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Regarding Rule 10, how much evidence do the moderators need to start banning based on a history of hit-and-run trolling?

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Is it possible to talk about the recent Blizzard threads coming from a specific user, in regards to the PC size of Blizzard?.

Each thread they have made has tried pinning blame on Blizzard and the platform itself and they honestly wait for each time any scrap of negative news is found. Same thing happened when SE released FF XV PC requirements, with them choosing the most expensive 1080ti price point, to put it in a negative light.



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Chazore said:
Is it possible to talk about the recent Blizzard threads coming from a specific user, in regards to the PC size of Blizzard?.

Each thread they have made has tried pinning blame on Blizzard and the platform itself and they honestly wait for each time any scrap of negative news is found. Same thing happened when SE released FF XV PC requirements, with them choosing the most expensive 1080ti price point, to put it in a negative light.

Are you not allowed to mention Ruler's name directly?