I cant believe as soon as he was done with this chip, he just left again.

AMD should have kept him, hes way to damn tallented.

Even if AMD now knows how to make improvements on zen, and has plans for the future, keeping the guy that played a key role in its design around would have been smart.

As I understand it:

Hes the reason Apple smart phone cpu's are so strong,Hes the reason AMD had stronger CPU's than Intel back in the Athlon-64 days.

He was also the coauthor of the specifications for the x86-64 instruction set, and helped amd with its HyperTransport interconnect.

Now he took AMD that had fallen soooooo far behinde intel in CPU, and put them right back to even with them?

You should not let tallent like this leave your company.

Okay thanks.

Eurogamer/Digital Foundry expect a Vega GPU but not a Zen CPU.

"our money is on a downclocked version of AMD's upcoming Vega technology."

"we know of the eight-core Zen is that it's a high-end desktop processor that's likely to require a large area of silicon. Integrating that alongside an already large GPU core seems overly ambitious."

Though I do expect a different CPU in the Scorpio rather than an upclock... so I might still go with Zen.

I highly daubt that. Horizon was the name of the event plus history shows 2 years inbetween Horizon titles and 2 years for Motorsport titles. Id expect a Motorsport 7 this year as its FM's turn to release there game.

Just an opinion.

The next Forza should be the mainline Forza and not Horizon. 

That was always a possibility.

Where did you pluck those numbers from?

Wishful thinking.
But no.

The Playstation 4 Pro is actually using an older Graphics Core Next design, but it is a semi-custom chip that adopted some good things about Polaris. And adopted nothing from Vega with the exception of FP16 units being bundled together to be processed by the FP32 units.

I don't think you fully comprehend the radical overhaul that Vega is, the PS4 Pro's chip has nothing on it.

Ryzen CPU, well the engineering samples are pretty competitive with the Core i5 6500K/6600K on a core to core basis. Give or take a few hundred megahertz.

In heavily threaded scenario's an 8-Core Ryzen sits in the middle of a Core i7 6-core (6800K) and 8-core (6900K) processor, but uses energy equivalent to the 8-core (6900K), thus Ryzen is less efficient than intel.

But that is also not a bad thing.

AMD will *not* be regaining the performance crown with Ryzen, heck, AMD doesn't even have a high-end chipset/platform that competes with LGA 2011-3 with Ryzen... AMD has also decided to go with a silly L3 cache layout with Ryzen that impacts performance but is a big cost benefit, so you can see the platform is more price-concious.

However, they will offer a stupidly attractive price/performance ratio that hasn't been seen since the Phenom 2 era.

What does this mean for consoles? Absolutely nothing. Scorpio will not be using the latest and greatest, multi-billion transistor, ryzen-based 8-Core/16-thread CPU.
Way to expensive. Way to power hungry. It's not going to happen, so let's nip this in the butt right now. It's just not going to happen. Period. Any rumor that says otherwise is stupid.

Maybe a quad-core configuration though, which will offer 8 threads in total... Or Microsoft might adopt Puma+ which is cheap as chips, small, efficient and allows for a larger GPU.
Or bugger it all and just clock up Jaguar.

Keller is an amazing architect.
Certainly made the Pentium 3 era an interesting one, thanks to his work with the Athlon/Duron.

Sadly, he left AMD a couple of years ago, thankfully after a large portion of Zen was completed.

Keller isn't in it for the money. He likes to challenge himself.

He has laid the future foundations for AMD... The only way for AMD to keep being competitive is if they iterate fast enough... They had better not let their platforms stagnate for half a decade like with AM3+. Otherwise they will not be able to regain relevent marketshare and they will fall into obscurity.

With that said, Radeon has now seperated from AMD's CPU devision, so there should be allot more focus now... And there seems to be a general upbeat confident feel to AMD at the moment which is fantastic to see... All they need to do if Zen and Vega are competitive is have a decent marketing team and budget to push the message home.

I share Eurogamers sentiments on this, since Scorpio was announced.

Vega is the big news though. It will be the largest overhaul of AMD's GPU architecture since Southern Islands and it finally closes the efficiency gap they had with nVidia.
If Scorpio uses Vega technology and not Polaris or older, then that is a massive advantage in Scorpio's favour... I would not be surprised if it doubled the performance of the Playstation 4 Pro in the real world.

I think it will be a high clocked custom Raven Ridge cores. A nice enough single thread perf improvement over Kaveri Era Jaguar cores, while keeping thermal/power footprint low to balance out the increased power demands of the GPU.

8 cores of Ravens Ridge at a good enough clock is probably enough to cycle those draw calls in a parallel environment such as DX12/Xbox programming. These cpu are bandwidth bound, and it sounds like they'll have plenty of that around.

Not to mention I still expect some custom underpinnings by Microsoft to optimize a unified memory environment.

I think it has under clocked Vega (less Cu then Vega but more CU then Polaris)

If PS4 pro GPU Polaris has 36 CU , with GPU core clock 900 mhz resulting on 4.2 terraflop, Then Vega will have 72 CU (double the Polaris CU). But Xbox One will have 6 terraflop then it's mean, Xbox One logically will have less CU then the Vega and will have similar GPU core clock speed with PS4 pro.

My prediction it will have 54 CU with GPU core clock 900mhz, resulting on 6 terraflop

I am agree with u i  think it has under clocked Vega (less Cu then Vega but more CU then Polaris) 

If PS4 pro GPU Polaris has 36 CU , with GPU core clock 900 mhz resulting on 4.2 terraflop, Then Vega will have 72 CU (double the Polaris CU). But Xbox One will have 6 terraflop then it's mean, Xbox One logically will have less CU then the Vega and will have similar GPU core clock speed with PS4 pro. 

My prediction it will have 54 CU with GPU core clock 900mhz, resulting on 6 terraflop

I'll have to search again, but I saw an article saying the slide was just a total of AMD projects for 2017, and not specifically relating Scorpio to RYZEN, but who knows.