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Soundwave said:

Paul Ryan is all over the map on this it appears:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-speaker-paul-ryan-gop-leaders-unable-1483462553-htmlstory.html

"House Speaker Paul D. Ryan and top Republicans had warned colleagues not to pursue the proposal, which would have weakened the independent ethics office.

But the GOP leaders initially appeared resigned Tuesday after rank-and-file lawmakers supported the change, testing the leaders' ability to control their majority."

Not surprising that he flip flops on everything though. 

Majority of GOP positions are anti-middle class, the way they trick middle/low income people into thinking giving more tax breaks to rich people, giving more rights to corporations, while accepting cuts to their own health care, education, child care, and other services is hilarious actually. 

Note too from the sounds of it Trump/Repubs like Ryan aren't saying "don't do this ever", they just don't want to do it now because it doesn't look good, the idiots at the GOP are already so drunk on power they thought they could get away with doing this on the first day of the new congress. Gotta get those tax breaks for their ultra rich buddies done first, then they can revisit this and do it quietly when the American people are not paying as much attention. 

Paul Ryan made a retraction cause he got backlash from everyone else including Trump so he's not even close to being all over the map like you insist ... 



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Trump hasn't drained the swamp.
He filled it up twice as high and filled it with swamp monsters.

I look forward to the hilarity of US politics for the next several years from across the Pond.



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I have had lots of suspicion as to what kind of canidate he'll be, and I am worried about what will come about from him. Of course this certainly is a good thing, and I think he deserves credit for what he did.



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Hiku said:

Oh and what Trump said (Tweeted) was that they shouldn't focus on getting rid of it now. He still called it "unfair" and that it shouldn't be their number 1 main focus. So he doesn't sound opposed to getting rid of it later, in a more discrete way. And most likely he just didn't want the negative attention this was getting, because Republicans couldn't wait one single day before they tried something ridiculous like this. Even Paul Ryan voted against it, probably realizing how bad it looks.

What he said probably affected the outcome of this story. But to give him full credit, when many non governmental organisations, citizens rights groups, etc were speasking out against it, is missing the bigger picture.

Exactly, Trump isn't against the idea of doing this, he's against the idea of doing it *first thing* out of the gate. 

Tackling too many controversial positions early on with cripple his political capital and he knows that. He needs to get those tax breaks for rich people and corporations done first, so he's telling the nutcases in the GOP to cool it on some of their crazier ideas. Even Paul Ryan knows this is political stupidity that's why he was trying to talk the GOP out of it. But Trump's tweets say it is "unfair" (now watch Trump supporters try and convince themselves that actually revoking this is a good idea in the long run). 

Likely the plan is to do this in the long run, they just need to wait until people are not paying as much attention and sneak it in. 



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Hiku said:

Oh and what Trump said (Tweeted) was that they shouldn't focus on getting rid of it now. He still called it "unfair" and that it shouldn't be their number 1 main focus. So he doesn't sound opposed to getting rid of it later, in a more discrete way. And most likely he just didn't want the negative attention this was getting, because Republicans couldn't wait one single day before they tried something ridiculous like this. Even Paul Ryan voted against it, probably realizing how bad it looks.

What he said probably affected the outcome of this story. But to give him full credit, when many non governmental organisations, citizens rights groups, etc were speasking out against it, is missing the bigger picture.

Exactly, I think we can be pretty sure he just want it gone, but not at this moment when he want everyone to hear how he brings jobs back to the US, although it's not because of him.



Puppyroach said:
Hiku said:

Oh and what Trump said (Tweeted) was that they shouldn't focus on getting rid of it now. He still called it "unfair" and that it shouldn't be their number 1 main focus. So he doesn't sound opposed to getting rid of it later, in a more discrete way. And most likely he just didn't want the negative attention this was getting, because Republicans couldn't wait one single day before they tried something ridiculous like this. Even Paul Ryan voted against it, probably realizing how bad it looks.

What he said probably affected the outcome of this story. But to give him full credit, when many non governmental organisations, citizens rights groups, etc were speasking out against it, is missing the bigger picture.

Exactly, I think we can be pretty sure he just want it gone, but not at this moment when he want everyone to hear how he brings jobs back to the US, although it's not because of him.

Ford CEO has said it was because of Donald. When set up to say it wasn't he went against the question format and still make dropped when the evil Poppy Harlow from CNN tried to imply it wasn't.

 

CNN are also reporting this story as being strongly due to Trump.

 

The fact remains, he will stand up to establishment. If it's a case of delay or otherwise it's irrelevant. That is semantics the proof is there to see.

 

Concede that in your talking points and then we can discuss the semabtics.



UnderstatedCornHole said:
Puppyroach said:

Exactly, I think we can be pretty sure he just want it gone, but not at this moment when he want everyone to hear how he brings jobs back to the US, although it's not because of him.

Ford CEO has said it was because of Donald. When set up to say it wasn't he went against the question format and still make dropped when the evil Poppy Harlow from CNN tried to imply it wasn't.

 

CNN are also reporting this story as being strongly due to Trump.

 

The fact remains, he will stand up to establishment. If it's a case of delay or otherwise it's irrelevant. That is semantics the proof is there to see.

 

Concede that in your talking points and then we can discuss the semabtics.

No, Ford named it as one of many reasons, and the only reason they are making it is because the so called "Swamp" will aid them in lowering taxes and screwing workers over once again. So once more he isn't draining any swamp, just filling it up even more. And he was even critical if the ethics committe in his tweet, how is that going against any establishment? It was the establishment that instated this committe, not Trump.



Puppyroach said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Ford CEO has said it was because of Donald. When set up to say it wasn't he went against the question format and still make dropped when the evil Poppy Harlow from CNN tried to imply it wasn't.

 

CNN are also reporting this story as being strongly due to Trump.

 

The fact remains, he will stand up to establishment. If it's a case of delay or otherwise it's irrelevant. That is semantics the proof is there to see.

 

Concede that in your talking points and then we can discuss the semabtics.

No, Ford named it as one of many reasons, and the only reason they are making it is because the so called "Swamp" will aid them in lowering taxes and screwing workers over once again. So once more he isn't draining any swamp, just filling it up even more. And he was even critical if the ethics committe in his tweet, how is that going against any establishment? It was the establishment that instated this committe, not Trump.

That kind of spin belongs on the Young Turks. Sequential stick-manery. Not worth responding to directly.

He stood up to establishment. Get over it.



UnderstatedCornHole said:

That kind of spin belongs on the Young Turks. Sequential stick-manery. Not worth responding to directly.

He stood up to establishment. Get over it.

Ford small car sales are down.  That is why they found it better to expand a factory in USA and one in Mexico instead of building a new plant in Mexico for their lagging small car fleet.

Congrats on the 700 jobs must go to Trump though.