By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Will the Scorpio own the PS4Pro in EVERY hardware category?

Rafie on 09 January 2017
sam987 said:
"Will the Scorpio own the PS4Pro in EVERY hardware category?"

Absolute! But who cares? The Scorpio will have one game, Halo, while the PS4Pro will 1001 exclusives...

Why would you say something like that?! The Xbox One has plenty of games coming out. This isn't a comparison of games. This is strictly talking about hardware.



PSN ID- RayCrocheron82

XBL Gamertag- RAFIE82

NNID- RAFIE82/ Friend Code: SW-6006-2580-8237

YouTube- Rafie Crocheron

Around the Network
DonFerrari on 09 January 2017
kowenicki said:
DonFerrari said:

I aknowledge that. The point being that the DF analyst said that on the titles he was revewing (I believe it was TR) even very close the quality was superb and very hard to distinguish from native during normal usage (like 3ft away from a 55" monitor or something like it)

I game on 65" at about 5-7ft depending on the position so I would probably notice in some cases.

So do I... and yes you would notice on a decent latest spec screen.  Its inferior.   

Yes, but you put it as if it was so much inferior, and neither the post you gave nor the DF analysis agree with.

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

I aknowledge that. The point being that the DF analyst said that on the titles he was revewing (I believe it was TR) even very close the quality was superb and very hard to distinguish from native during normal usage (like 3ft away from a 55" monitor or something like it)

I game on 65" at about 5-7ft depending on the position so I would probably notice in some cases.

If the screen was like 75" the difference would be pronounced.
Digital foundry isn't wrong, they are usually pretty bang on the money. And I'm not actually disagreeing with you. :P

On PC you can pick up the differences even easier. Most 4k monitors are like 30" or larger and you only sit inches away from them.
Basically it was a compromise for the hardware Sony opted with. And it's certainly works out better than having everything stuck at 1080P still.

I apreciate your inputs even when I disagree or don't understand.

And since the games I preffer to play are exclusives to PS4, not even having a very powerfull PC would help me playing them on pristine 4k30fps (60fps was never a requirement for me) and ultra settings. At least on that Xbox folks will get a better deal when talking only about SW.

Considering 1080p have been quite pleasing for my eyes, seeing it get even more clarity and precision will probably add a lot more without need for me to beating me around for not having it 4k.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Snoopy on 09 January 2017
sam987 said:
"Will the Scorpio own the PS4Pro in EVERY hardware category?"

Absolute! But who cares? The Scorpio will have one game, Halo, while the PS4Pro will 1001 exclusives...

In regards to sales, hardly any ps4 exclusive sells as well as multiplats.



Snoopy on 09 January 2017
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

In regards to sales, hardly any ps4 exclusive sells as well as multiplats.

Hasn't that always been the case outside of a few Nintendo exclusives?

Nintendo Wii U exclusives havent's sold that well generally imo. That is why Nintendo Wii U flopped hard. Switch will be no different in my opinion. You can litterally have a console that plays only multiplats and survive and do well. However, if you have a console that only plays exclsuive games and nothing else will fail. Nintendo doesn't realize this, but they will and probably be finished.



Snoopy on 09 January 2017
Radek said:

Scorpio can be a powerful console but it's nothing more than limited PC without exclusive games, at this point PC with all Xbox exclusives + games like Civilization, WoW, LOL, CS:GO, Hearthstone, Arma, Starcraft and even Japanese gems like Nier Automata is a better place to be.

6 Tflops GPU, MAYBE better CPU and more VRAM for higher quality textures, all good things if priced correctly, but the games?! THE GAMES?!

Even RDR 2, Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, COD on Scorpio won't be getting any spotlight since they all partnered with Sony.

Those third party games will probably run and look better on scorpio than ps4. Not to mention more people play AAA games on Consoles than PC.



Around the Network
Snoopy on 09 January 2017
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Nintendo Wii U exclusives havent's sold that well generally imo. That is why Nintendo Wii U flopped hard. Switch will be no different in my opinion. You can litterally have a console that plays only multiplats and survive and do well. However, if you have a console that only plays exclsuive games and nothing else will fail. Nintendo doesn't realize this, but they will and probably be finished.

You're missing the point. Exclusives rarely sell better than multiplatform games, so stating that isn't really saying much.

I'm saying that building a console that is user friendly , offers great experience and has third party support is much more important than exclusives.  



Snoopy on 09 January 2017
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

I'm saying that building a console that is user friendly , offers great experience and has third party support is much more important than exclusives.  

All of those things are critical, yes, but so are exclusive titles. For example, you think the Xbox would even be here without Halo? That IP single-handily kept the brand relevant. Eliminating the importance of exclusive content (including games) leaves you without a strong understanding of what the industry is about. 

So you make good points, but I'm just saying that exclusives matter, whether they sell like Halo 3 or Shadow of the Colossus. 

You think 50 million people who bought a ps4 bought it for uncharted 4 and bloodborne? If you take away ps4 exclusive it wouldn't even make a dent to Sony's install base, same with Microsoft. Microsoft og xbox lost money and didn't sell well because it didn't have third party support. That is the reason why Microsoft rushed 360 and are now using UWP to entice third party developers to develop on their platforms. Xbox wouldn't be here without third party support and Microsoft knows it. Nintendo is about to get yet again another rude awakening that they need third party support along with an adequate online system.



aLkaLiNE on 09 January 2017
Snoopy said:
CGI-Quality said:

All of those things are critical, yes, but so are exclusive titles. For example, you think the Xbox would even be here without Halo? That IP single-handily kept the brand relevant. Eliminating the importance of exclusive content (including games) leaves you without a strong understanding of what the industry is about. 

So you make good points, but I'm just saying that exclusives matter, whether they sell like Halo 3 or Shadow of the Colossus. 

You think 50 million people who bought a ps4 bought it for uncharted 4 and bloodborne? If you take away ps4 exclusive it wouldn't even make a dent to Sony's install base, same with Microsoft. Microsoft og xbox lost money and didn't sell well because it didn't have third party support. That is the reason why Microsoft rushed 360 and are now using UWP to entice third party developers to develop on their platforms. Xbox wouldn't be here without third party support and Microsoft knows it. Nintendo is about to get yet again another rude awakening that they need third party support along with an adequate online system.

Actually, PlayStation has maintained its dominance by having a mix of first and third party support, for every console. That's probably the secret sauce that Microsoft lacks to be #1, same with Nintendo (though I think that it's better to focus on first party over third party if you had to choose between the two). One of those two is mostly first party, the other is mostly third party. 



Snoopy on 09 January 2017
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

You think 50 million people who bought a ps4 bought it for uncharted 4 and bloodborne? If you take away ps4 exclusive it wouldn't even make a dent to Sony's install base, same with Microsoft. Microsoft og xbox lost money and didn't sell well because it didn't have third party support. That is the reason why Microsoft rushed 360 and are now using UWP to entice third party developers to develop on their platforms. Xbox wouldn't be here without third party support and Microsoft knows it. Nintendo is about to get yet again another rude awakening that they need third party support along with an adequate online system.

So the Switch is doomed because of 3rd party support? What makes it so apparent that it won't have it? 

In addition to that, the problem you continue to have is the elimination of exclusives as a selling point. In every generation, including the 8th, they have mattered. Multiplatform games will remain one of the strongest cases for a console, no disagreement there, but without exclusives, would the Xbox brand exist? Would any brand exist? Something to consider.

Online service, Console price, Controller, UI, Console design, friends are playing, ect.  Hell, look how xbox one is selling a lot more because of xbox one s. Certainly wasn't because of exclusives. The only time exclusives will matter again is if streaming becomes a thing and every company has their own streaming service or if a company buys out major third party publishers like EA and Activision. I gurantee you Sony didnt even have to make any exclusives and they will still sell well.



Snoopy on 09 January 2017
CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Online service, Console price, Controller, UI, Console design, friends are playing, ect.  Hell, look how xbox one is selling a lot more because of xbox one s. Certainly wasn't because of exclusives. The only time exclusives will matter again is if streaming becomes a thing and every company has their own streaming service or if a company buys out major third party publishers like EA and Activision. I gurantee you Sony didnt even have to make any exclusives and they will still sell well.

2017 will be a better way to know just what kind of impact the Xbox One S will have for the brand, but Microsoft's timing of price cuts around key moments is one of the main reasons it did so well.

As for the PS4, it would still be beating the X1 without exclusives, yes, but many people buy PlayStation systems for a number of Sony's IPs.

Yeah, the hardcore games and gamers who are in the know. However, the casuals rule the industry and they buy the same third party games over and over like COD,Madden, Ect. Nintendo still haven't receive full third party support and people's xbox one and ps4 already plays ALL the third party games, cheaper systems to play them and to top it off probably plays the games better too and their friends are on it as well already.