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Mr.GameCrazy said:
maxleresistant said:
Since I first saw the video presentation in october I always thought it would not be a success. Sub par graphical power, too many complicated controls, poor third party support, low quality aspect of the console itself, not enough power for the gamer community, too much gamer designed for the casual crowd, also the casuals have really really really moved on from traditional gaming.

What's complicated about the controls for the Nintendo Switch? They look like pretty much like traditional controls (besides the Joy Cons when they are used by themselves are very simple).

This is from the official website 

"Gaming springs into action by removing detachable Joy-Con controllers from either side of Nintendo Switch. One player can use a Joy-Con controller in each hand; two players can each take one; or multiple Joy-Con can be employed by numerous people for a variety of gameplay options. They can easily click back into place or be slipped into a Joy-Con Grip accessory, mirroring a more traditional controller. Or, if preferred, the gamer can select an optional Nintendo Switch Pro Controller to use instead of the Joy-Con controllers. Furthermore, it is possible for numerous people to bring their Nintendo Switch systems together to enjoy local multiplayer face-to-face competition."

If you think that most people aren t lost by all this, you are wrong. The wiiU was already a mess because it had 3 official controllers, people couldn t wrap their head around the fact that you could only have one gamepad per wiiU. 

I know we are all gamers here, but the market is not just us, it s mainly average consumers who likes simple and easy to use products.

I don t see the switch as a simple product, I see it as a product that tries to do too many thing and does nothing properly.

I own a WiiU, I remember when I bought Nintendoland, that game is a mess, you need the gamepad, wiimotes, wii motion plus, nunchucks, and you spend too much time changing the configurations. It had some nice mini games, but it was just a pain in the ass.


there is nothing wrong with a box and 4 normal controllers. Or a handheld that is just a handheld. The DS with its two screens was a great innovation, but that doesn t mean that every Nintendo console should try to reinvente the wheel



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maxleresistant said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

What's complicated about the controls for the Nintendo Switch? They look like pretty much like traditional controls (besides the Joy Cons when they are used by themselves are very simple).

This is from the official website 

"Gaming springs into action by removing detachable Joy-Con controllers from either side of Nintendo Switch. One player can use a Joy-Con controller in each hand; two players can each take one; or multiple Joy-Con can be employed by numerous people for a variety of gameplay options. They can easily click back into place or be slipped into a Joy-Con Grip accessory, mirroring a more traditional controller. Or, if preferred, the gamer can select an optional Nintendo Switch Pro Controller to use instead of the Joy-Con controllers. Furthermore, it is possible for numerous people to bring their Nintendo Switch systems together to enjoy local multiplayer face-to-face competition."

If you think that most people aren t lost by all this, you are wrong. The wiiU was already a mess because it had 3 official controllers, people couldn t wrap their head around the fact that the you could only have one gamepade per wiiU. 

I know we are all gamers here, but the market is not just us, it s mainly average consumers who likes simple and easy to use products.

I don t see the switch as a simple product, I see it as a product that tries to do too many thing and does nothing properly.

I own a WiiU, I remember when I bought Nintendoland, that game is a mess, you need the gamepad, wiimotes, wii motion plus, nunchucks, and you spend too much time changing the configurations. It had some nice mini games, but it was just a pain in the ass.



Have you actually read that?

There is absolutely nothing confusing there, is exactly what they show on the Switch add and everybody understood it pretty quickly because there is no complexity on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI



I feel the same exact way. If you look at my posts from 2012 you'll see I called the Wii U a failure right away. How did I know? Simple: It appealed to nobody.

You sell if you appeal to people. I am getting Wii U vibes with the Switch now. The Wii U appealed to nobody. No one wanted a 3D Land port, or a cel shaded Zelda, or another Donkey Kong Country.

I will wait 2 weeks before completely writing it off but I am NOT optimistic at all. And before I get called a Nintendo hater then explain this: I think the Wii is the second greatest console of all time.



Goodnightmoon said:

Have you actually read that?

There is absolutely nothing confusing there, is exactly what they show on the Switch add, and everybody understood it pretty quickly because there is no complexity on that.

Like I said, I understand it, you understand it, we are all gamers.

Miyamoto hinself said one thing, when you create a product, you should be able to put it in someone's hand and they would right there understand how to use it. It was the goal they set themselves with the Wii and DS, and it worked, then they got lost with accessories for the Wii, lack of clear vision for the WiiU with its 3 official controllers and 4 accessories at launch. And I see the same mistakes with the Switch, yes they are doing a better job in communicating for it, but that doesnt make it a great consumer product.

You want to know why the mobile market is winning the casual crowd? The product is so fucking simple a monkey can use it.

I m not saying Nintendo should make a tablet and dumb things down, I m just saying that maybe, maybe... don t release a system and try to advertise that their is 4/5 different ways to play it with 2 different accessories.  And this is day one, how many we ll have in 2/3 years?

And if the rumors are true the wiimotes are also compatible. I just hope they just keep those out of their communications. Remember why people thought the WiiU was a Wii accessory? Because everybody in those damn commercials were using wiimotes. WIIMOTES!!!

 

I don t see why anybody here doesn t see the many problems with the switch. I might be wrong, maybe the switch will be a great success, but it sure has some weird design choices.



zorg1000 said:
maxleresistant said:
Since I first saw the video presentation in october I always thought it would not be a success. Sub par graphical power, too many complicated controls, poor third party support, low quality aspect of the console itself, not enough power for the gamer community, too much gamer designed for the casual crowd, also the casuals have really really really moved on from traditional gaming.

To me the Switch is trying too much to please everybody, but it won t please anyone (besides those who anyway would have been pleased by anything Nintendo makes).

And that decision of having only one device instead of two?
They should have gone with two devices, one portable, one for the TV, both built on the same technology but the home one being way more powerful. Have a shared library of games.
Now anyway the developpers will have to build 2 versions of their games for their games since the docked and handheld are so different in processing power, but both are really underpowered anyway.

You really contradicted yourself there at the end.

They should have gone with two devices, one portable, one for the TV with alot more power.

Now developers will have to build 2 versions of their games since the docked and handheld are so different in power.

Whats the difference?

If you quote me, quote me right. I said "now ANYWAY developers"

It means that the point of having one system to be a handheld and a home system was to have to develop only one version of the game. Ok? Well they went with one system with two really different power mode. So different we now know that if the developpers wants to make full use of the dock mode they ll have to do a lot of extra work.

Basically, the result would have been the same with 2 separate devices but with an even better gpu in the home system. Still extra work to release it on both, but at least the home console as a chance of being competitive against the ps4 and one.

The consumer get the choice of buying the switch handheld or the switch console or both, you throw away the joycons, give people controllers that works on both, reduce product costs on the handheld, now you have 2 revenue streams that completes each others instead of one.

 

 



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based on what we know now, and assuming it is here to replace both WiiU and 3DS, it is almost impossible to have another WiiU type of disaster



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Goodnightmoon said:

Switch sucess is gonna make half of the internet look like idiots, mark my words.

maxleresistant said:
Since I first saw the video presentation in october I always thought it would not be a success. Sub par graphical power, too many complicated controls, poor third party support, low quality aspect of the console itself, not enough power for the gamer community, too much gamer designed for the casual crowd, also the casuals have really really really moved on from traditional gaming

This post is amazing

- Subpar graphical power
- Not enough power for the gaming comunity

(Those are supposed to be 2 different reasons? lol)

- Too many complicated controls (what?)
- Low quality aspect of the console itself (what??)

(2 nonsense random reasons to make the list bigger)

- Poor third party support
- Too much game designed for the casual crow

( ... The console has not even been fully revealed yet, let alone released and you are already judging its nonexistant library?)

Just... wow

I should have written in a separate sentence "not enough power for the gaming community, but designed too much as a gamer device to please the casuals" I fucked up that one. It was a separate arguments but poorly written.

I explained the too many complicated controls in another comment. 

Low quality. Yes, I m talking about the finitions, the exterior design. The ergonomy looks okay, but the plastics are just shameful, we saw it at the late tonight show, it just look like somthing designed by a chinese company. Poor quality looking plastics, grey and black colors? That bulky dock? The controller that looks like it was made by xiaomi? The joycon support????

I mean just wtf happened here? I mean don t go and try to replicate apple designs, but at least try to make something appealing to other people than a 16 yo. The vita looks like a jewel in comparison with its glossy finish, it looks like a quality made product. The switch looks again, like a chinese knock off.

 

Poor third party support... well yes maybe I ll be wrong, but it s a guess, like my prediction of the Switch failure is a guess too. 

And when I mean failure I mean that the Switch will have to be a more successful console thant the 3ds and WiiU reunited. And right now, I don t see that kind of success



I just don't understand how a system with Pokemon, Zelda, Mario (and all of its spin-offs), Splatoon, Kirby, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, DKC, some 3rd party exclusives and isn't expensive can sell less than 15 million units.

Edit: Actually, I'll take bets. The Switch will outsell the Wii U LT with just Japan in 3 years (or before 2020).



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Slarvax said:

I just don't understand how a system with Pokemon, Zelda, Mario (and all of its spin-offs), Splatoon, Kirby, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, DKC, some 3rd party exclusives and isn't expensive can sell less than 15 million units.

Edit: Actually, I'll take bets. The Switch will outsell the Wii U LT with just Japan in 3 years (or before 2020).

Of course it will, but its not replacing just the wiiU. Now its pretty sure Nintendo has a back up plans in case of switch not selling enough, they would be awfully dumb to not have one, otherwise they are putting all their eggs into one basket.

So the way we can really mesure the switch success right now, with all Nintendo is saying today, is not by comparing it to the wiiU, but the 3ds, or 3ds+WiiU.



The reveal trailer revealed how the switch can be played in different ways, meaning on the go or at home. Virtually no one was confused by it.

The Wii U had a ton of problems, including price and terrible marketing. The Switch already seems to have fixed those problems. No one thinks it's an add-on for the Wii or Wii U. It looks to be the most competitively priced Nintendo system since the Wii. And it's 'switch' feature is tailor made for the Japanese market. How it does in the West remains to be seen. It will capture a lot of the 3DS crowd just by being a Nintendo 'handheld,' and having a glut of great games year 1 will help it immensely, especially compared to the drought of early 2013.