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Forums - Politics Discussion - FBI Released Proof of Russian DNC Hacking - US expels 35 Russian diplomats & Sanctioned Two Compounds

Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Russia interjecting themselves into a US election is a fairly stunning event really, is this supposed to be the new normal? They are going to cherry pick one candidate who they push based on captitulation to their demands every 4 years? It's a very dangerous precident. Not only in the US, but now they will feel they can do the same in Europe and perhaps even Asia as well. 

Oh you're right. Instead of removing all of the corruption, we should just reprimand whoever exposed said corruption and stop it from ever being exposed again. 

 

By all means, let's forget what was shown to us and just get mad that it was shown to us at all. How dare they lift the veil on our reality to show us what's really happening. 

That doesn't make sense. We can do both. Actually, we won't remove the corruption. Because if there's one thing in government that has full bi-partisan support, it's corruption. BUT! Just because a foreign country influencing our Presidental ellections exposed something bad, doesn't make the medling in our elections okay. It's still a very, very, very bad thing.



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Azuren said:
pokoko said:

Is that Embassy staffed by middle-schoolers?  Jeez, that's embarrassing.  That can't be real?  

Considering this is a response to being publicly outed so hard your party lost the election, I'd say kicking out the diplomats is just as adolescent.

Well it's not like the election winners will do anything about this and someone has to.

Tempering with their oh so loved democracy should be a bipartisan outrage but of course it's not. As famous philosopher Trump once said: "A rigged election is fine as long as I'm winning. If not then it's bad."

Obama is just living Trump's mantra.



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vivster said:
Azuren said:

Considering this is a response to being publicly outed so hard your party lost the election, I'd say kicking out the diplomats is just as adolescent.

Well it's not like the election winners will do anything about this and someone has to.

Tempering with their oh so loved democracy should be a bipartisan outrage but of course it's not. As famous philosopher Trump once said: "A rigged election is fine as long as I'm winning. If not then it's bad."

Obama is just living Trump's mantra.

Well, it kind of is bipartisan ... just not from Trump's camp.  Several Republican politicians understand that this goes beyond political cat-fighting.  

 

Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham called Wednesday for Congress to take a tougher stance against Russia for meddling in the U.S. presidential election.  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/john-mccain-lindsey-graham-russia-hacking-congress-233003

“Let the new Congress and the new president deal with Russia, pass new sanctions, much tougher than the ones we already have,” Graham said, arguing that Obama acting on his way out of office would “send the wrong signal.”

McCain said the issue is “of the utmost seriousness.”

“Look, if you’re able to change the results of an election, then you have undermined the very fundamentals of democracy,” McCain said, adding that he doesn’t, however, believe the Russian hacking affected the election result.


They're going to push for Trump to take a stand.  Good luck to them on that.



Azuren said:
pokoko said:

I don't know if this was the right move or not.  I have no idea what the protocol for something like this would be.  However, if the allegations are true then, yeah, there does need to be some blow-back.  Democrat, Republican, Cat-in-box Party, I don't give a damn.  If another country is using illegal means to influence an election in their favor then the government of the country where the election is taking place should do something to stop it from happening again.  I can't believe anyone would think otherwise.  That's common sense.  This isn't an issue where people should think about their political party first, it's one where they should think about their country first.

If another country exposes corruption, then I honestly don't give a fuck about the semantics about what laws are broken. 

"They illegally hacked our servers!"

"... aaaaand exposed extreme corruption in the process. Maybe they need a medal, not a reprimand."

Basically how I feel.

What hurt the democrats was their corruption, the Russians merely exposed it. There would be no response from Obama if right wing corruption was exposed.

Frankly, I'm not even bothered by Russian hacking. Its expected and they found good information.



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It's not like the US doesn't hack and influence countless elections, false outrage



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Baryonyx said:
Normchacho said:
This won't lead to war, they did it. Putin won. He got the guy he wanted elected. Now, we're in for at least four years of Putin stomping all over eastern Europe and the Middle East without any push back from the US.

And you can bet your ass that come 2020 they'll be fighting to win him a second term. But hey, at least the Democrats didn't win amiright?

Are you insane? USA have been bombing and fucking up the middle-east since the 90s and now you are worried that Russia will do the same without US involvement? You reminds me of America under Bush, the same fucking ignorance... 

 

The only reason why Europe is falling right now is only due for US involvement in the middle-east, so that we were forced to follow the humanitarian policies against our own safety..   

 

You damn Fascist's, if it's not you who does the crime then it's bad. You double-morale oppressors, The Liberals are no better then the Bush, Obama is Bush 2.0 and i fear it doesn't really matter who is the president, they are actually doing what you the people want anyway, invading other countries cause that is what US does. At least Russia have been bombing the ISIS group, your goverment funded them. You can't possible be older then 15 cause you are definetly new to all this cause you weren't old enough at the time to smell the stinky of the what the US Military were doing in a foreign soveriginity and toppling their government and leaves them behind with massive Civil-unrest and for what? OIL. Don't you fucking blame Russia for anything, you don't have a fucking clue about the crimes of US because you are cheering foe it you Moron.

 

I don't care if i get banned, well worth the harsh words, people don't know the Magnitude of their words when they have no fucking clue what is actually going on cuz their to fucking busy playing stupid shit as pokemon go and use their Electronics for stupid shit when all we see on the news are either lies because a lot of things seen on the news is lies or half-truth's, which is very apperant when people think Russia is the solidary threat against global stability, when USA their own fucking Nation have been invading over 7 countries these past 10-14 years, it's a fucking joke.

+1 Yeah, I've known the USA is a bully for a while now. I hear it every time I travel. Not all of us in the US want war, and we are all not in line with the interest of large corporations and special interest that really govern this country. I did my volunteering for Bernie, but I've lost a lot of faith in human kind recently. I don't think we can make the right decision fast enough to face the big global challenges that are yet to come. Money has truely corrupted this nation to the core, and even though I believe in capitalism, I don't think that is what we have now. It's an olligarcy, and us citizens don't really have any control over it anymore. I don't even think our elections matter anymore on a national level. I've lost trust on our voting machines and the system. I will still cast my vote, since it is my duty as a citizen, but I'm very skeptical now of the process.



 

There's this book which is required reading apparently by Russian military and political higher ups that gives a great deal of insight on things:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

The book written in 1997 outlines some interesting Russia objectives namely:

1.) The United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe. (Brexit - Check)

2.) Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "“Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia (Annexation of Crimea in Ukraine, Step One)

3.) Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]   

(Supporting a divisive candidate like Trump that played up racial and isolationist rhetoric -- check mate). 

Seems like they eased off on the concept of making China an enemy, rather placating them/making them an ally of sorts, but a lot of the other stuff written in 1997 is almost freakishly dead on. 

These three points are actually stunning in their accuracy nearly 20 years before hand. There's also the Russian professor/former KGB agent who predicted due to internal instability, the United States would eventually break apart into this:

 

Russia might be playing a pretty impressive long game here, the ultimate revenge for the break up of the Soviet Union. We tend to think this was ages ago, but it was really only 25 years ago ... not that long in geopolitical terms. 



Erm... "because we say so" isn't proof. This whole report is unsubstantiated speculation followed by the sort of reminder I get from my workplace on a daily basis not to fall for phishing schemes because too many of my coworkers are apparently John Podestards.



teamsilent13 said:

It's still too vague to be considered proof to me. Also, Wikileaks is still arguing against Russian involvement in relation to the 13 page report.

 

Wiki needs to stay out of it and stick to investigative reporting. Who are they to say who did the hacking.



jason1637 said:
I dont see this escalating much since Trump takes office in a few days.

Trump will have to pick a side, both him and republicans will have to choose USA or Russia. If the FBI can prove the Russians cyber attacked the election they have to take action or they pubicaly declare that they are on the side of Russian cyber infiltration. No Usa official is going to side with Russia.