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Soundwave said:
Sharu said:

Even now we have at least 3 superpowers. USA, China and Russia. EU could be one to if it had a pair of balls. Even during cold war actual balance was more difficut then USSR vs USA, with a lot of alliances with its politics inside. (WW1 and 2 also was a war of alliances, not solid powers.)

We have 3, but one is clearly well above the other 2, which keeps a pecking order where all three know their place. It's not perfect by any means, but given the history of the last 100 years, it's a hell of a lot better than what was going on 50-60-70 years ago. 

We HAD it when USA was above 2 others. It was since start of 1990s. And it lead the world to the current sad state.

And now we are in the different times. It seems to me that China is getting ahead of USA from economical side. And Russia - in military. So if Russia and China are allies - USA will be only nr 2 after that alliance. And it will just ruin it.



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Sharu said:
Soundwave said:

It's a "bold statement"? What year is it? 1853?

Darwin in his works never said that apes are human's ancestors. Thats just oversimplistic re-saying of his THEORY. Which is still a theory, and not proven scientifically.

The meaning of the word "Theory" in Science is not the same as the word "theory" when used in general conversation  http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

e.g. Theory of Gravity, Theory of Relativity, Atomic Theory, Cell Theory 

Science has proven to a very high level of confindence (Known as a Scientific Theory) using the scientific method that Humans are apes, and that we are a product of evolution 



Azuren said:
pokoko said:

Is that Embassy staffed by middle-schoolers?  Jeez, that's embarrassing.  That can't be real?  

Considering this is a response to being publicly outed so hard your party lost the election, I'd say kicking out the diplomats is just as adolescent.

How is it adolescent if the diplomats had direct involvement in the cyber-attacks.  You cannot do anything with anyone foreign diplomats than kick them out of the country.  You cannot try them in court or make any direct action against them.  In other words, what exactly do you do when foreign diplomats do things that are damaging to your country.  You kick them out.  You shut down their embassy and you remove their ability to enter the country. 

You make this seem like some type of revenge from the President for Russian involvement in getting Trump Elected.  Instead this should be the action any President does when a foreign power attack the US and attempt to influence our government.  Make no mistake that Russian is not doing this out of the kindness for Trump supporters.  

 

Just leaving diplomats in the country after they were shone to be in collusion to cyber-attacks makes us look like complete idiots.  What do you think the Russians would do if the shoe was on the other foot.



Rab said:
Sharu said:

Darwin in his works never said that apes are human's ancestors. Thats just oversimplistic re-saying of his THEORY. Which is still a theory, and not proven scientifically.

The meaning of the word "Theory" in Science is not the same as the word "theory" when used in general conversation  http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

e.g. Theory of Gravity, Theory of Relativity, Atomic Theory, Cell Theory 

Science has proven to a very high level of confindence (Known as a Scientific Theory) using the scientific method that Humans are apes, and that we are a product of evolution 

Please, read the article on the link you refering to. 

Also pls give me a link, were science proves that humans are apes... 



Sharu said:
Rab said:

The meaning of the word "Theory" in Science is not the same as the word "theory" when used in general conversation  http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

e.g. Theory of Gravity, Theory of Relativity, Atomic Theory, Cell Theory 

Science has proven to a very high level of confindence (Known as a Scientific Theory) using the scientific method that Humans are apes, and that we are a product of evolution 

Please, read the article on the link you refering to. 

Also pls give me a link, were science proves that humans are apes... 

You should read it

Man you would have to be living under a rock not to find scientific literature that supports Human evolution 

Put this into Google, doent want to link in for some reason 

https://www.britannica.com/science/human-evolution 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics 



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Sharu said:
Rab said:

The meaning of the word "Theory" in Science is not the same as the word "theory" when used in general conversation  http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

e.g. Theory of Gravity, Theory of Relativity, Atomic Theory, Cell Theory 

Science has proven to a very high level of confindence (Known as a Scientific Theory) using the scientific method that Humans are apes, and that we are a product of evolution 

Please, read the article on the link you refering to. 

Also pls give me a link, were science proves that humans are apes... 

This is sarcasm, isn't it?



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Sharu said:
Soundwave said:

We have 3, but one is clearly well above the other 2, which keeps a pecking order where all three know their place. It's not perfect by any means, but given the history of the last 100 years, it's a hell of a lot better than what was going on 50-60-70 years ago. 

We HAD it when USA was above 2 others. It was since start of 1990s. And it lead the world to the current sad state.

And now we are in the different times. It seems to me that China is getting ahead of USA from economical side. And Russia - in military. So if Russia and China are allies - USA will be only nr 2 after that alliance. And it will just ruin it.

You know, when we talk about "superpowers", essentially we're talking about who "has the best friends". That's why countries like Turkey or Greece are seen strategically important, as well as trans-atlantic trade. It's hard to see a stronger military alliance than NATO in the foreseeable future (especially when Trump is demanding higher military budget for NATO countries). Also, do not forget India that works as a competitor to China in Asia. 



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Soundwave said:
DrDoomz said:

The fact that we actually did avoid a third world war (even if it was just by luck as you say) seems to prove you wrong.

WW2 wasn't 2 evenly matched Superpowers. More like several powers jockeying for top position (instigated by one). With the US and Russia coming out on top. So how do you figure the 2 power scenario being an inevitable cause for war?

If you actually read up on the Cuban Missle Crisis it's frightening how much of war being avoiding was simply dumb luck. A bounce the wrong way and it was over and the chain reaction is stunningly frightening, for example not only was Russia going to get hit with an immediate nuclear strike, but Europe was (via Russia), but even beyond that China was slated to actually be attacked first, because the US knew in an all out war, they had to neuralize communist China as well, so they were actually on the dockett first. 

The death toll would've been enormous. 

And you said it yourself. WW2 shows you what happens when you have 3-4 different countries in a dick waving contest and how it took humanity straight down the toilet to our most shameful moments. 

Look at history, show me where evenly mached divergent super power nation states have been able to avoid war, every chapter of human history says that's not true. 

Three World Wars in a span of 100 hundred year is nothing short of an embarrassment either. It's like saying you got into three drunk driving accidents, and the last time you almost killed someone, but now you feel OK about driving again. Like sorry if I don't trust that person for shit. They don't deserve to be trusted. 

Let's not start intellectually insulting each other. We've gotten this far without doing it, after all. Of course I've read about the Cuban missile crisis.

Would've. Casualties would've been enormous (due to technology and population). The third world war you are talking about never happened. It is hypothetical. We avoided a third World War (by the skin of our teeth), where we easily fell into 2 World Wars prior to that. If that is not growth, I don't know what is. These days everyone knows the horrors of that kind of war and no one wants a part of it.

Every chapter of human history is encapsulated in war. For various reasons. With different numbers of powers commanding different eras. You are asking for impossible proof and you know it. Because there has always been war in the past. It is cultural growth, and a better understanding of the horrors of war and the understanding that the next great war would be the end of everything that has kept modern powers from warring amongst themselves, not the existence of a single superpower.



DrDoomz said:
Soundwave said:

If you actually read up on the Cuban Missle Crisis it's frightening how much of war being avoiding was simply dumb luck. A bounce the wrong way and it was over and the chain reaction is stunningly frightening, for example not only was Russia going to get hit with an immediate nuclear strike, but Europe was (via Russia), but even beyond that China was slated to actually be attacked first, because the US knew in an all out war, they had to neuralize communist China as well, so they were actually on the dockett first. 

The death toll would've been enormous. 

And you said it yourself. WW2 shows you what happens when you have 3-4 different countries in a dick waving contest and how it took humanity straight down the toilet to our most shameful moments. 

Look at history, show me where evenly mached divergent super power nation states have been able to avoid war, every chapter of human history says that's not true. 

Three World Wars in a span of 100 hundred year is nothing short of an embarrassment either. It's like saying you got into three drunk driving accidents, and the last time you almost killed someone, but now you feel OK about driving again. Like sorry if I don't trust that person for shit. They don't deserve to be trusted. 

Let's not start intellectually insulting each other. We've gotten this far without doing it, after all. Of course I've read about the Cuban missile crisis.

Would've. Casualties would've been enormous (due to technology and population). The third world war you are talking about never happened. It is hypothetical. We avoided a third World War (by the skin of our teeth), where we easily fell into 2 World Wars prior to that. If that is not growth, I don't know what is. These days everyone knows the horrors of that kind of war and no one wants a part of it.

Every chapter of human history is encapsulated in war. For various reasons. With different numbers of powers commanding different eras. You are asking for impossible proof and you know it. Because there has always been war in the past. It is cultural growth, and a better understanding of the horrors of war and the understanding that the next great war would be the end of everything that has kept modern powers from warring amongst themselves, not the existence of a single superpower.

Just to point out for this tree, that the superpowers' dick waving contest have been done by proxy war since WW2. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the list goes on.

 

Typically democratic nations do not go into war, because essentially that eould mean people putting their own asses in the line of fire. Back in the day the monarchs ruled their kingdoms, there was constant war, not because of the monarchs being hungry for war, but because the army was expensive to upkeep, so you needed to rob someone to feed your army, and it needed something to do to prevent the generals (commanding the army) from going against the king.

 

WW1 happened in the first place for various reasons: there were revolutions in some countries, others had bad relationships and alliances with each other, etc. WW2 was continuation to WW1 with some of the countries being unhappy with how the first one ended. 

 

 

Today, trade seem more important than military, and the best defense you have, is that cost in attacking you would be bigger than the gain.



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