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Mr Puggsly on 01 January 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Mr Puggsly said:

And again, I'll stress the point Gears 4 feels like a total package compared most games.

Other games have campaign, split screen, co-op, PvP, but its rare when I can point to a game that does it as well as Gears 4. Whether it be this or previous gens.

You can nit pick and I can still come up with numerous reaons why Gears 4 is a strong contender for GOTY.

No offense bud but sure, you can argue any point with a general sense of "well at least it's not AS BAD AS xxxxxx" 

If you seriously want to drivel down an argument to "Ya but it's still better than the other mediocre products that others support" than sure, have at it with Gears 4. But lowering your expectations because it's a game in a pile of worse games doesn't really amount to much other than less crappy crap. What's the point about having a conversation about a game if you're defense of it is just "well...it's not AS BAD". You can shut down anything with that. If I didn't like Gears of War I wouldn't care so much about Gears of War 4's issues. But if you enjoy the game applause to you. There is certainly some great things about it. But the game in general? A step up from Judgement, and not much more. 

I'm arguing its a great product, period. Everything it offers and how well it executes it makes it one of my favorite games in years.

I'm not gonna argue its the best game in the series, but I felt its at par with previous titles and in some ways better.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 01 January 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

No offense bud but sure, you can argue any point with a general sense of "well at least it's not AS BAD AS xxxxxx" 

If you seriously want to drivel down an argument to "Ya but it's still better than the other mediocre products that others support" than sure, have at it with Gears 4. But lowering your expectations because it's a game in a pile of worse games doesn't really amount to much other than less crappy crap. What's the point about having a conversation about a game if you're defense of it is just "well...it's not AS BAD". You can shut down anything with that. If I didn't like Gears of War I wouldn't care so much about Gears of War 4's issues. But if you enjoy the game applause to you. There is certainly some great things about it. But the game in general? A step up from Judgement, and not much more. 

I'm arguing its a great product, period. Everything it offers and how well it executes it makes it one of my favorite games in years.

I'm not gonna argue its the best game in the series, but I felt its at par with previous titles and in some ways better.

I'm not saying you don't see it as a great product, what I'm saying is, if you're saying "well the low amount of content compared to previous games is acceptable because it's better than other games currently on the market" it's still basically the same argument as "well it might be lackluster, but at least it's not as shitty as everything else on the market". Does that mean you think the game is shitty? No, but it means you're basically using the same kind of argument conceptually.

I don't even remember why we started talking. It's not like i'm going to hunt down everyone who enjoys the game. There's definitely some great things about the game and some enjoyable parts. I just don't think there's SOOOO much content. Honestly if I played more games this generation maybe I would appreciate it more, or maybe i'd appreciate it less. But I don't feel like the content provided is worth appreciating, especially since there was no real point for a microtransaction system. 



Snoopy on 01 January 2017

To me Gears 4 does what is most important to me in terms of gaming. Gameplay and Content. Gears 4 is really the complete package and I think it is the best game to come out this generation. I agree the story may be a little meh and last boss was a bit lack luster, but other than that it is a flawless game imo. 

Also, I'm suprised people play gears for the story. I always thought gear's story was average. It has always been about going from point A to Point B. The women in Gears 3 were just placed at the last minute and you can totally tell.



Snoopy on 01 January 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm arguing its a great product, period. Everything it offers and how well it executes it makes it one of my favorite games in years.

I'm not gonna argue its the best game in the series, but I felt its at par with previous titles and in some ways better.

I'm not saying you don't see it as a great product, what I'm saying is, if you're saying "well the low amount of content compared to previous games is acceptable because it's better than other games currently on the market" it's still basically the same argument as "well it might be lackluster, but at least it's not as shitty as everything else on the market". Does that mean you think the game is shitty? No, but it means you're basically using the same kind of argument conceptually.

I don't even remember why we started talking. It's not like i'm going to hunt down everyone who enjoys the game. There's definitely some great things about the game and some enjoyable parts. I just don't think there's SOOOO much content. Honestly if I played more games this generation maybe I would appreciate it more, or maybe i'd appreciate it less. But I don't feel like the content provided is worth appreciating, especially since there was no real point for a microtransaction system. 

I may be wrong, but I heard the microtransaction is a way to make future gears of war maps free. I'm all for it if it's true. I hate paying for new maps and hate how it breaks up the community.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 01 January 2017
Snoopy said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I'm not saying you don't see it as a great product, what I'm saying is, if you're saying "well the low amount of content compared to previous games is acceptable because it's better than other games currently on the market" it's still basically the same argument as "well it might be lackluster, but at least it's not as shitty as everything else on the market". Does that mean you think the game is shitty? No, but it means you're basically using the same kind of argument conceptually.

I don't even remember why we started talking. It's not like i'm going to hunt down everyone who enjoys the game. There's definitely some great things about the game and some enjoyable parts. I just don't think there's SOOOO much content. Honestly if I played more games this generation maybe I would appreciate it more, or maybe i'd appreciate it less. But I don't feel like the content provided is worth appreciating, especially since there was no real point for a microtransaction system. 

I may be wrong, but I heard the microtransaction is a way to make future gears of war maps free. I'm all for it if it's true. I hate paying for new maps and hate how it breaks up the community.

Ya it IS , but every time they introduce new maps they take the same amount of maps out of the rotation(or at least they have thus far). So you're getting the same amount of maps in the game as you had day one, it's just a few of them are different. With no quality assurance that all these maps are better than the original maps in the original rotations(and because maps are compeltely subjective) it basically means we're just getting the same amount of content with no assurance the updated content is any better or worse. The only way you can experience all of the maps is in private match, and you have to pay for the 40$ season pass for that. 

I believe they took out two maps and put in 4 but out of those 4 two are just remasters. I don't really think free DLC should be basterdized to "the only way you get more content with the game with these free updates is when including the remasters in the map rotation(which were probably already made before launch). Oh ya, and by the way buy our microtransactions".  I think currently Gears 4 shouldn't even have an actual season pass, it adds  no value to it. But unless they keep this action of taking out original maps and putting it the new maps, we might potentially still get more content per free update down the line. Like right now technically we do have two extra maps, but they're just remasters and they were probably already done.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 01 January 2017

The way I see it i'd rather have paid map packs than microtransactions for customizables on disc. If a map pack is worth it i'll pay for it, better than paying for small customization or using currency that takes forever to grind. There has been almost no game I know of that did free microtransaction based DLC well, but I can understand how some would prefer it..



bunchanumbers on 02 January 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The way I see it i'd rather have paid map packs than microtransactions for customizables on disc. If a map pack is worth it i'll pay for it, better than paying for small customization or using currency that takes forever to grind. There has been almost no game I know of that did free microtransaction based DLC well, but I can understand how some would prefer it..

I wouldn't. I was there when they started doing DLC maps on gears 2 and it destroyed the user base by fragmenting it. It even got to the point where you needed to have the all fronts pack in order to play with everyone else. No. They did it right with this.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 02 January 2017
bunchanumbers said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The way I see it i'd rather have paid map packs than microtransactions for customizables on disc. If a map pack is worth it i'll pay for it, better than paying for small customization or using currency that takes forever to grind. There has been almost no game I know of that did free microtransaction based DLC well, but I can understand how some would prefer it..

I wouldn't. I was there when they started doing DLC maps on gears 2 and it destroyed the user base by fragmenting it. It even got to the point where you needed to have the all fronts pack in order to play with everyone else. No. They did it right with this.

Wow. You agree with your opinion, I disagree with it and agree with my opinion? Shocking. 



Normchacho on 02 January 2017
Snoopy said:

To me Gears 4 does what is most important to me in terms of gaming. Gameplay and Content. Gears 4 is really the complete package and I think it is the best game to come out this generation. I agree the story may be a little meh and last boss was a bit lack luster, but other than that it is a flawless game imo. 

Also, I'm suprised people play gears for the story. I always thought gear's story was average. It has always been about going from point A to Point B. The women in Gears 3 were just placed at the last minute and you can totally tell.

The story was never really good in Gears, the origional cast of characters were good though. The new ones aren't really very good. Still, great game.



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KiigelHeart on 02 January 2017
Snoopy said:

Also, I'm suprised people play gears for the story. I always thought gear's story was average. It has always been about going from point A to Point B. The women in Gears 3 were just placed at the last minute and you can totally tell.

Except they weren't just placed at the last minute. They were important characters from novels by Karen Travis before Gears 3 was released. Those books are actually very well written by the way.

I've always liked Gears of War story and universe. I'm not saying it's an amazing story but it does the job, it's surprisingly well detailed and built. I used to fear monsters under my bed when I was a kid, so I like the idea of terrifying Locusts emerging from underground and desperate war against them :)