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Ripley did not need a Safe Space. She was not a super hero either, she had weakness, and fought despite them. 

After much time pondering on the subject, I reached the realization that:

A powerful and capable woman does not need a safe space, she can handle anything.

The same goes for a man, safe spaces are for the weak.

Being protected from everything all the time will create a society full of perpetual children: Suffering is what turn us into adults, not safe places.

Free speech should not be labeled as hate, we should not live in fear of being sued for every single phrase we say.

Strong people are forged in adversity, not in safe spaces and by trigger warnings.

We also do not need to be shielded from reality: We must face it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZYJlkUDgGE

I remember a time when being bullied in school or going through adversity actually made you work hard to overcame your limitations.

That happened to me, that happened to all the strong people I know.

We do not need safe spaces, like Lieutenant Ripley we need to face our problems, not complain about our shortcomings.

Do you agree or do you believe in the SJW utopia?



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I'm sorry but posts like this just sound as whiny and entitled as the "SJWs" you "hyper sensitive to any criticism men" get.

1st off -- society changes ok. It's not 1970 or 1980 or 1880 anymore. The world you go to sleep to dies a little bit and evolves forward the next day. Change happens. Constant whining about change to me is part of the same coin.

Yes you can't say the same things without impunity today, when I was in high school I was a self admitted jock. I played sports and the banter was different then. "Stop playing like a fucking fag" for example was accepted talk. Today it's not with kids that age that I see, and you know what? I say good on them. It was stupid when it was done back then, but no guy really had the balls to step up and say it was wrong, we just all went along with it, and that isn't any better.

Also Ripley is a fictional movie character and the "kick ass" fetishization is primarily to appeal to (well) men ... lets get that clear. If you want to choose an apt example maybe try using a real person. Like Oprah Winfrey or someone. It's like saying Darth Vader is strong in the movies, so men have nothing to complain about.



Soundwave said:

I'm sorry but posts like this just sound as whiny and entitled as the "SJWs" you "hyper sensitive to any criticism men" get.

1st off -- society changes ok. It's not 1970 or 1980 or 1880 anymore. The world you go to sleep to dies a little bit and evolves forward the next day. Change happens. Constant whining about change to me is part of the same coin.

Yes you can't say the same things without impunity today, when I was in high school I was a self admitted jock. I played sports and the banter was different then. "Stop playing a fucking fag" for example was accepted "trash" talk. Today it's not with kids that age that I see, and you know what? I say good on them. It was stupid when it was done back then, but no guy really had the balls to step up and say it was wrong, we just all went along with it, and that isn't any better.

Also Ripley is a fictional movie character and the "kick ass" fetishization is primarily to appeal to (well) men ... lets get that clear. If you want to choose an apt example maybe try using a real person. Like Oprah Winfrey or someone. It's like saying Darth Vader is strong in the movies, so men have nothing to complain about.

I actually think she is a good role model for girls, cause she does not have super powers like Mila Jojovich in Resident Evil, which is just a god among men and nothing can hurt her.

To me what makes Ripley such a hero is because in the first 3 movies I always felt that she was weak, fragile, afraid... But, even with those shortcomings, she fought and won.

With Resident Evil, Mila was never afraid, cause she was a goddess and nothing could really stop her.

I love characters that have a weak side, but are brave.

Edit: I agree that Vader was strong, but when I was a kid I never wanted to be him cause he was evil and that was a turn-off. Luke was my guy, although he was weak, he did his best to overcome his shortcomings.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

I'm sorry but posts like this just sound as whiny and entitled as the "SJWs" you "hyper sensitive to any criticism men" get.

1st off -- society changes ok. It's not 1970 or 1980 or 1880 anymore. The world you go to sleep to dies a little bit and evolves forward the next day. Change happens. Constant whining about change to me is part of the same coin.

Yes you can't say the same things without impunity today, when I was in high school I was a self admitted jock. I played sports and the banter was different then. "Stop playing a fucking fag" for example was accepted "trash" talk. Today it's not with kids that age that I see, and you know what? I say good on them. It was stupid when it was done back then, but no guy really had the balls to step up and say it was wrong, we just all went along with it, and that isn't any better.

Also Ripley is a fictional movie character and the "kick ass" fetishization is primarily to appeal to (well) men ... lets get that clear. If you want to choose an apt example maybe try using a real person. Like Oprah Winfrey or someone. It's like saying Darth Vader is strong in the movies, so men have nothing to complain about.

I actually think she is a good role model for girls, cause she does not have super powers like Mila Jojovich in Resident Evil, which is just a god among men and nothing can hurt her.

To me what makes Ripley such a hero is because in the first 3 movies I always felt that she was weak, fragile, afraid... But, even with those shortcomings, she fought and won.

With Resident Evil, Mila was never afraid, cause she was a goddess and nothing could really stop her.

I love characters that have a weak side, but are brave.

Edit: I agree that Vader was strong, but when I was a kid I never wanted to be him cause he was evil and that was a turn-off. Luke was my guy, although he was weak, he did his best to overcome his shortcomings.

I'm sorry but movie characters are just mainly for entertainment. Sure they can have some value as a role model, but *real* human beings are far better role models. Ripley is a character created in equal measure to appeal to men who like "masculinized women" in a way, "Alien" as a film was aimed at men who like science fiction and horror movies, not so much women. 



Soundwave said:
WagnerPaiva said:

I actually think she is a good role model for girls, cause she does not have super powers like Mila Jojovich in Resident Evil, which is just a god among men and nothing can hurt her.

To me what makes Ripley such a hero is because in the first 3 movies I always felt that she was weak, fragile, afraid... But, even with those shortcomings, she fought and won.

With Resident Evil, Mila was never afraid, cause she was a goddess and nothing could really stop her.

I love characters that have a weak side, but are brave.

Edit: I agree that Vader was strong, but when I was a kid I never wanted to be him cause he was evil and that was a turn-off. Luke was my guy, although he was weak, he did his best to overcome his shortcomings.

I'm sorry but movie characters are just mainly for entertainment. Sure they can have some value as a role model, but *real* human beings are far better role models. 

The equivalent in real life would be Christina Hoff Sommers

Christina Marie Hoff Sommers is an American author, former philosophy professor, and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Sommers is known for her critique of contemporary feminism.


She is the real deal in rational feminism: she does not want a gender war or a world of safe places and sweet lies, she wants a world where people can REALLY live alongside with different opinions and get stronger by facing their fears, not by running into their safe spaces and suying everyone.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

I'm sorry but movie characters are just mainly for entertainment. Sure they can have some value as a role model, but *real* human beings are far better role models. 

The equivalent in real life would be Christina Hoff Sommers

Christina Marie Hoff Sommers is an American author, former philosophy professor, and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Sommers is known for her critique of contemporary feminism.

She is the real deal in rational feminism: she does not want a gender war or a world of safe places and sweet lies, she wants a world where people can REALLY live alongside with different opinions and get stronger by facing their fears, not by running into their safe spaces and suying everyone.

No, I would say Oprah Winfrey is the better example. She is someone who grew up in abject poverty, was raped multiple times at the age of 9 extending into her teens, miscarried a baby at age 14 due to being raped, climbed the ladder of the TV news business and become one of the most wealthy and influential people on the planet. And she did that also without the benefit of traditional beauty. 

That is a real example of someone becoming a success actually have gone through real struggle, that would break even most men. 



Soundwave said:
WagnerPaiva said:

The equivalent in real life would be Christina Hoff Sommers

Christina Marie Hoff Sommers is an American author, former philosophy professor, and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Sommers is known for her critique of contemporary feminism.

She is the real deal in rational feminism: she does not want a gender war or a world of safe places and sweet lies, she wants a world where people can REALLY live alongside with different opinions and get stronger by facing their fears, not by running into their safe spaces and suying everyone.

No, I would Oprah Winfrey is the better example. She is someone who grew up in abject poverty, was raped multiple times at the age of 9 extending into her teens, miscarried a baby at age 14 due to being raped, climbed the ladder of the TV news business and become one of the most wealthy and influential people on the planet. 

That is a real example of someone saying "fuck the excuses, I'm going to make things happen, no excuses"

Yes, she achieved unprecedent financial success. 



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WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

No, I would Oprah Winfrey is the better example. She is someone who grew up in abject poverty, was raped multiple times at the age of 9 extending into her teens, miscarried a baby at age 14 due to being raped, climbed the ladder of the TV news business and become one of the most wealthy and influential people on the planet. 

That is a real example of someone saying "fuck the excuses, I'm going to make things happen, no excuses"

Yes, she achieved unprecedent financial success. 

Not by accident or luck. She is mentally stronger than most people, I mean and as a woman to have that kind of success without good looks either means it was largely on merit too.



Soundwave said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Yes, she achieved unprecedent financial success. 

Not by accident or luck. She is mentally stronger than most people, I mean and as a woman to have that kind of success without good looks either means it was largely on merit too.

Yes, and probably focused as well, capable of hard work. I often think about Michael Jackson, that finished his life broke despite making hundreds of millions. Success can make one lose his mind.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:

Not by accident or luck. She is mentally stronger than most people, I mean and as a woman to have that kind of success without good looks either means it was largely on merit too.

Yes, and probably focused as well, capable of hard work. I often think about Michael Jackson, that finished his life broke despite making hundreds of millions. Success can make one lose his mind.

I think Michael Jackson had phenomenonal talent (obviously) forged under great work ethic, but he was also mentally fraigle in a lot of ways ... like an obvious addiction to plastic surgery for one (not getting into all the other stuff). What a talent though.