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Jpcc86 on 25 December 2016
Chazore said:
Cirio said:

The fuck?

I'm pondering this one myself

Lets just all stay here and contemplate that magnificent argument. 



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Chazore on 25 December 2016
Jpcc86 said:

Lets just all stay here and contemplate that magnificent argument. 

I honestly don't know how anyone can top the subconcious part. We've now gone above and beyond hack n' slash, to people dreaming or thinking of FF without even directly thinking of it lol.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 25 December 2016

Loll @ FFXV vs Witcher 3



                  

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Roronaa_chan on 25 December 2016

That's because the West incorrectly thinks that gameplay is what you do and not how you do it.



ABizzel1 on 25 December 2016

Overall when it comes to action / hack and slash games Japan is light years ahead of the competition, because they've been making those kind of games for several generations. But more specifically it's Capcom, Platinum (aka the best of Capcom), Namco, and a few others that all excel at action combat, animations, and the spectacle of it all.

The best of western developers in this genre when it comes to GAMEPLAY SPECIFICALLY, are pretty much average when it comes to Japanese games. Sony Santa Monica with God of War, EA with Dante's Inferno, and Ninja Theory with Heavenly Sword, DmC, and Enslaved (I know they're European) are the only standouts I can think of.

But they can't compare to Ninja Gaiden, DMC, Bayonetta, Nier, and other JP action games when it comes to GAMEPLAY. When it comes to GAMEPLAY they're 8/10 range, but those 4 JP games are 10/10.

Now when it comes to storytelling, world, characters, and overall then yeah they're all in the same league IMO. BUt GAMEPLAY alone, yeah JP has it hands down.



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Lawlight on 25 December 2016
MTZehvor said:
Lawlight said:

That's exactly how I finished MGR - by button mashing my way through it.

Then I seriously feel bad for whatever button you used to reload checkpoints.

The game itself isn't hard - cheap and boring, sure.



mutantsushi on 25 December 2016
TallSilhouette said:

Feels like a lot of straw man, to me. There's plenty of variety in Western melee: over the top God of War, rhythmic Arkham/Mordor, realistic boxing/mma, grounded period fare like Mount & Blade, etc. Comparing the combat in what are primarily rpg's to games that are basically hack n slash with a few numbers dashed on top seems pretty silly, to say nothing of calling them samey when the whole musou genre exists. I'll grant that a lot of the tightest melee combat calls Japan home, but let's not equate speed and flash to quality.
Cirio said:

Why are you comparing a hack n' slash action RPG game to story driven traditional WRPGs? You might as well say that playing Witcher 3 makes you feel sad for the sad state of story and character development in Japanese action RPGs.

These comments were overlooked, I suppose because they didn't offer enough of a handle for one side or another to dig into as idealized opponent.

ABizzel1 said:
The best of western developers in this genre when it comes to GAMEPLAY SPECIFICALLY, are pretty much average when it comes to Japanese games. Sony Santa Monica with God of War, EA with Dante's Inferno, and Ninja Theory with Heavenly Sword, DmC, and Enslaved (I know they're European) are the only standouts I can think of.

Phew, I thought Europe wasn't Western for a second there.  Seriously, WTF?  Back to basics, man...



Spade on 25 December 2016
Ruler said:
Ali_16x said:

Lmao what? No one talks about FFXII and people talk about FFXIII because it's a shit game. So I'm not sure how that's proving your point.

And as someone whose played both FFXV and The Witcher 3, and whose a fan of Final Fantasy and JRPG, The Witcher 3 is a better game. FFXV was disappointing as fuck because I expected a story, yet there wasn't one there. And honestly, even then I was excited for the world but that felt empty. The best thing about FFXV were the dungeons. 

And even though I've played FFXV more recently and The Witcher 3 over 9 months ago, I'm still thinking about how beautiful and world was and how engaging the quests were. The quests in FFXV......so meh. A perfect example of a game that didn't need to go open world.

FF was always open world that was the vision since it was made, i doubt youre a FF fan. There was no story in the Witcher 3, you can do alot more in FFXV than in the Witcher 3 this is a fact.

Unreal. Should be banned for making these kinds of posts, like wtf. 



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arcaneguyver on 25 December 2016

Witcher 3 and its simplistic combat gets a pass for its expansive nature and strong setting. I just came across my first cyclops, and sweet Christ almighty their hitbox is pure nonsense.

Some well designed and fine tuned melee combat is sorely missed in it and other WRPGs.



Spade on 25 December 2016

The game's made by Platinum Games who specialize in unique gameplay, setting and the stories aren't that great. So that's one example. Overall I feel Western is much better in terms of combat than Japanese.



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