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Forums - Politics Discussion - Congress Rebukes The UN For Condemning Illegal Israeli Settlements

Incredible how Israel has this sense of entitlement, like everybody owes it something.
"You are condemning us for illegally building settlements on occupied land? Great! Then we will act like 5 year old child and throw a hissy fit by not communicating with the countries that voted against us."
To all those who will say: "But Israel is our ally, why are you being so harsh?" How is Israel our ally? We give 'em money and military aid, the best of the best, and what do they give us in return? Military stability in the Middle East? Is that your answer? Why isn't Israel fighting ISIS? Why isn't Israel fighting Assad? No, that's not how it works.
"America, we take your money and your weapons, but you go ahead and fight your own wars, we like it that way". That's how it works.
I wouldn't want this post to be thought of as being anti-semitic in any way. My critique is being directed at Isreal's government and how certain individuals in that same government decided to voice their opinion on UN vote regarding settlements.



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asqarkabab said:
palou said:

You think that a 2000 year old claim still holds? Then pretty much the whole american population can go right back to Europe. There were people living in Palestine before the Jews, by the way. The bible actually talks about the wars that conquered the land. 

Because God promised them the lands of Kanaan and they became it and it was legitimated by God himself

You mentioned the americas it was the colonial powers that used the religious card to legitimate their conquests and that was false 

It is nice to hear that you support the return of USA to the land of their forefathers, legitimated by their Gods. The Incas, the Aztecs, the Mayas, all thank you. While we are at it, the Celts want the United Kingdom back, and the Yolngu want their lands in Australia back. All very legitimate through their religious views and their Gods.



He reminds me of my 10yr old cousin, his parents gives him everything he wants, but say no to a piece of candy, or tell him it's time to put down the video games to eat dinner, he'll throw a tantrum. This is the analogy that popped in my head when I saw his reply to John Kerry. We sold them a fleet of f-16s (among other questionable actions) for pennies, then we gave them the largest military aid package ever, and billions of dollars annually. But he's going to stomp his feet because we allowed a UN resolution to pass?



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I can't believe this piece of shit is the minister of education. I can only hope he's not brainwashing poor Israeli kids with his jewish extremism. 



American Congress = Cucks for Israel.



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asqarkabab said:
Israel has the right to build setlements its their home and they can do whatever they want and nobody can interfere in their actions

Nope, the settlements in question aren't in their country, they are in the area the UN designated for Palestina.



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asqarkabab said:
Eagle367 said:

No they don't its Palestine's land and people should stop them from building settlements. It all belonged to Palestine just look at the map before World War II. The only reason Israel has so much land and Palestinians are restricted to small sectors like Ghaza is because the USA gives Israel billions upon billions in cash and weaponry.

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more

Well, if you go that far back, you have to admit America belongs to the Indians. The are no US-americans, because they are the offshots of european conquerors not more.



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Someone do the poor Palestinians a favor and just relocate them to different Arab states. Its clear as day that Israels definition of peace is the complete subjugation and domination of the Palestinian people. At least let them have fucking dignity somewhere else.



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Leadified said:
Ka-pi96 said:

They already had a state in Palestine. The israelis are just slaughtering them and stealing it though.

The last time the Arabs controlled Palestine was during the Crusades, ever since it has switched hands from Turkish states to European powers. The states of Israel and Palestine have only existed since 1948 when the partition plan was to create two separate Jewish and Arab states.

Jews, Muslims and Christains have lived together in the region for 1500 years, it's not so simple to determine who is right and who is wrong. Personally I don't think its fair to pick one side when both Arabs and Israelis are responsible for creating this mess.

 

There were no Arabs or Israelis, it used to be just Palestinians until the west split Palestine. 

 

Prior to that, this particular piece of land has been ruled by the kurds (Sallauddin Ayubi was a Kurd), Romans, the British, Macedonians and the list goes on. 

 

Looking at it historically there is no one particular owner as this piece of land has always been fought over, even when ruled by the Jewish, as other Jewish tribes fought over it for hundreds of years. 

 

The biggest problem is where people complicate the issue by saying Arabs and Israelites, Jews and Muslims. Palestine is the actual country, Israel was a place within Palestine. All the folk who were born there are essentially Arab, whether they are Jewish, Muslim or Christian similar to how everyone born in Britain is British although they may be Scottish. Israel as a state has only been in existence for the last 60 of years. 

 

This piece of land has seen so much violence and death, it will make GoT look like a Disney film. In fact, after having read Jerusalem the Biography, you realise this is actually is no man's land. 

 

The second issue is people not knowing the difference between anti semitism and anti Judaism. One is racism as you are opposing a group of people for their religion e.g. Hitler was anti Jewish. The other is being opposed to the idea of an Apartheid in Palestine e.g. the situation in south Africa with Nelson Mandela. 

 

However, Zionists often play the Anti semitic card as if it were the anti Judaism card when lobbying. 

 

This land won't see peace anytime soon. The west needs Israel as they have given Israel immunity. It is the only place in the entire world that can create as much of a nuclear arsenal as they want. Essentially the entirety of Israel has been created as a giant weapons bunker in the middle east in case the west needs to go to war in the east.