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Eagle367 said:
asqarkabab said:
Israel has the right to build setlements its their home and they can do whatever they want and nobody can interfere in their actions

No they don't its Palestine's land and people should stop them from building settlements. It all belonged to Palestine just look at the map before World War II. The only reason Israel has so much land and Palestinians are restricted to small sectors like Ghaza is because the USA gives Israel billions upon billions in cash and weaponry.

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine 

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more



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Ka-pi96 said:
asqarkabab said:
Israel has the right to build setlements its their home and they can do whatever they want and nobody can interfere in their actions

Oh how I wish Palestine had the resources and the will to strike back at israel. They`d no doubt get all the hate for it but they would be on the right side.

The Arabs will never create their on state in palestine

They have to settle in jordania and other arab states 



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I'm no fan of religion especially islam but what's right and fair is not what Israel is doing. The expansion of settlements is clearly wrong and unlawful. While most countries agree this expansion is wrong it is tolerated by the US with no penalties for Israel. You only have to see some of the news reports to see how people are forcibly removed from their homes and land either to be demolished for a new settlement or even for Israels to move directly into their existing home. It makes me quite angry and if it makes me angry I dread to think how those people feel who are removed. Even a small but significant population of Israel is against the settlements.

Don't get me wrong though I see Israel as a good country, democratic, decent laws (for its own people) and a rare gem in the area but that does not justify its actions with regard expansion of settlements.



asqarkabab said:
Eagle367 said:

No they don't its Palestine's land and people should stop them from building settlements. It all belonged to Palestine just look at the map before World War II. The only reason Israel has so much land and Palestinians are restricted to small sectors like Ghaza is because the USA gives Israel billions upon billions in cash and weaponry.

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine 

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more

There is a difference between conquest and genocide. What you are talking about happened in the span of thousands of years while what's happening here is only post world war 2. That means in just a little more than half a century, all the jews that escaped Europe from hitler and found asylum in Palestine have destroyed and slaughtered almost all the people that gave them asylum during their time of need. If nothing is done to stop the israelis then palestenians will become an extinct race of people with  not one palestenian alive. Tell me how this is anything similar to thousands of years of change? If you compare the time between now and the time you are talking about then in that time the world landscape changed drastically. Christianity was born and thrived. Islam came. Two world wars fought, new nations formed, empires rose and fell, america was discovered. The difference between that time and this time is over 20 generations of humans being born and thne dying. This takeover by israel happened in two and at most three generations of humans. If you compare that with America then you should give it back to the natives of the continent and Canada as well. Australia should be given back to its natives, etc. If you are in support of the genocide of the palestenians then so be it but don't try to justify what israel does.



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bonzobanana said:
I'm no fan of religion especially islam but what's right and fair is not what Israel is doing. The expansion of settlements is clearly wrong and unlawful. While most countries agree this expansion is wrong it is tolerated by the US with no penalties for Israel. You only have to see some of the news reports to see how people are forcibly removed from their homes and land either to be demolished for a new settlement or even for Israels to move directly into their existing home. It makes me quite angry and if it makes me angry I dread to think how those people feel who are removed. Even a small but significant population of Israel is against the settlements.

Don't get me wrong though I see Israel as a good country, democratic, decent laws (for its own people) and a rare gem in the area but that does not justify its actions with regard expansion of settlements.

The only reason israel is a raree gem in its area is because the US  supports it while simultaneously destroying all of the other middle eastern nations. Just look at what USA has done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and others. The 'rebels' USA supports are the founders of Daesh. And the rebels that USA still supports are not much better than daesh. In Afghanistan USA created Taliban to fight Russia and now look what happened.



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Ka-pi96 said:
So the Israelis call a move intended to stop their unlawful invasions and attempts at genocide `shameful`? Hypocritical much?

nothing unusual in the midle east tough



asqarkabab said:
Eagle367 said:

No they don't its Palestine's land and people should stop them from building settlements. It all belonged to Palestine just look at the map before World War II. The only reason Israel has so much land and Palestinians are restricted to small sectors like Ghaza is because the USA gives Israel billions upon billions in cash and weaponry.

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine 

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more

You think that a 2000 year old claim still holds? Then pretty much the whole american population can go right back to Europe. There were people living in Palestine before the Jews, by the way. The bible actually talks about the wars that conquered the land. 



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Eagle367 said:
bonzobanana said:
I'm no fan of religion especially islam but what's right and fair is not what Israel is doing. The expansion of settlements is clearly wrong and unlawful. While most countries agree this expansion is wrong it is tolerated by the US with no penalties for Israel. You only have to see some of the news reports to see how people are forcibly removed from their homes and land either to be demolished for a new settlement or even for Israels to move directly into their existing home. It makes me quite angry and if it makes me angry I dread to think how those people feel who are removed. Even a small but significant population of Israel is against the settlements.

Don't get me wrong though I see Israel as a good country, democratic, decent laws (for its own people) and a rare gem in the area but that does not justify its actions with regard expansion of settlements.

The only reason israel is a raree gem in its area is because the US  supports it while simultaneously destroying all of the other middle eastern nations. Just look at what USA has done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and others. The 'rebels' USA supports are the founders of Daesh. And the rebels that USA still supports are not much better than daesh. In Afghanistan USA created Taliban to fight Russia and now look what happened.

That makes little sense at all. Destroying all the middle eastern nations? You've stated their purpose yourself which is to fight and remove russian influence in the past and certainly they are no enemy of Saudi Arabia despite the huge human right's issues there and the use of Sharia law. I don't think the situation can be quickly summarised in a few lines. 

Islam is not a religion that believes in all people being equal and islamic countries are rarely democratic. They have had a huge number of wars and issues between each other before you start trying to blame the US or Europe for their problems. A religion that doesn't embrace equality and is fractured into multiple types that try to make their chosen path dominent over other sects. I'm not saying I agree with US, UK or European middle east policies but most of the middle east's problems are internal. Remember most muslims killed in war are killed by other muslims and many muslim countries are the worst offenders for the use of torture and a failing and biased legal system where many innocent people are executed. I just feel the actions of muslims themselves are far more questionable than US policy with its occasional excursions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy



Why is it shameful?, International law should go through and they should stop building colonies in others land, Us should go one step further into forcing piece on both sides if it's applicable



Eagle367 said:
asqarkabab said:

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine 

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more

There is a difference between conquest and genocide. What you are talking about happened in the span of thousands of years while what's happening here is only post world war 2. That means in just a little more than half a century, all the jews that escaped Europe from hitler and found asylum in Palestine have destroyed and slaughtered almost all the people that gave them asylum during their time of need. If nothing is done to stop the israelis then palestenians will become an extinct race of people with  not one palestenian alive. Tell me how this is anything similar to thousands of years of change? If you compare the time between now and the time you are talking about then in that time the world landscape changed drastically. Christianity was born and thrived. Islam came. Two world wars fought, new nations formed, empires rose and fell, america was discovered. The difference between that time and this time is over 20 generations of humans being born and thne dying. This takeover by israel happened in two and at most three generations of humans. If you compare that with America then you should give it back to the natives of the continent and Canada as well. Australia should be given back to its natives, etc. If you are in support of the genocide of the palestenians then so be it but don't try to justify what israel does.

If they ever get a state theyre unable to hold it see the differences between hamas and fattah 

You have to live with them to see how they are 

I see them every day here in germany they are mostly criminals and drug dealers they are not capable to have their on country



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