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One of the best. IMO SW Fans will like it better than TFA in general, however TFA has broader appeal so non-SW fan movie goers would generally prefer TFA I think.



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Landguy said:
1. Return o The Jedi
2. Empire
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. Attack of the Clones
6. A Force Awakens
7. Rogue One
8. Phantom Menace

this is it....

I would adjust my list to this, but overrall I agree. Rogue One only had the best sound, special effects and cinematroghraphy ...obviously because it just came out. Awakens was a better Star Wars movie with the point of continuing the story and actually was interesting all the way through. Rogue One is just a pointless milking of the franchise. It literally had no point and told a story that didn't need to be told.

I was not impressed with anything in the movie, no, not even the end which was not half as good as Anakin turning Sith in episode 3. The prequels had a much better story and delved deep into the Jedi culture and morals/beliefs. Rogue One had no memorable battles (episode 1 had a much better ending space battle that still holds up today and the chatter between the pilots was very immersive, plus Vader showed his pilot skills) and was also more satisfying.

The end of Rogue POne was slopping with them just forcing action and the whole plot with them just following the woman (can't remember any character names) was bad. So she gives a speach and they just trust her? OK lol. Only people not fans of Star Wars would love it or fans of hyped movies with special effects. I only put it above episode 1 because of the special effects aging poorly and Jar-Jar Binks. Kid Anakin was better than any character in Rogue One.



Turkish said:
merman said:

for me

Star Wars III
Star Wars V
Star Wars Rogue One
Star Wars IV
Star Wars VI
Star Wars VII
Star Wars I
Star Wars II

 

i know people will freak out over that but... of well

its crazy to think we still have:

 

Star Wars VIII

Star Wars Han Solo

Star Wars IX

Star Wars Obi (PLEASE TO GOD) 

 

S.Peelman said:

After Rogue One I am definitely anticipating the Han Solo movie. I'm thinking it'll probably feature Han and Lando, telling about what Han is refering to in Empire when he says to Chewie "That was a long time ago, I'm sure he's forgotten about that." Maybe even how he Chewie even met.

Then the final anthology-film, I've seen people talking about an Obi-Wan one, or a Darth Vader one. I'm not sure how an Obi-Wan movie would work, because we see or know everything about his life already. His life as a Jedi is told in the prequels and in The Clone Wars, and afterwards on Tatooine he didn't do anything but age. For Darth Vader I could only see it be about him hunting what's left of the Jedi after Sith. I've also read about it being about Boba Fett's life from Attack of the Clones onwards, that could also be interesting.

The movie with Han Solo, Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca is gonna be hype.

The 3rd anthology movie should be about Boba Fett imo but I think there's enough material to start a new anthology trilogy:

-A movie about Leia between VI and VII

-Obi Wan and Qui Gon Quin (with Ewan Mcgreggor and Liam Neeson)

-Darth Vader, or Kylo Ren movie

I also want to see a big budget 5-6 season live action series.

None of these are necessary. No milking. After episode 9, I'm done. Disney is going to run this franchise into the ground.



Spazed said:
Landguy said:
1. Return o The Jedi
2. Empire
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. Attack of the Clones
6. A Force Awakens
7. Rogue One
8. Phantom Menace

this is it....

I would adjust my list to this, but overrall I agree. Rogue One only had the best sound, special effects and cinematroghraphy ...obviously because it just came out. Awakens was a better Star Wars movie with the point of continuing the story and actually was interesting all the way through. Rogue One is just a pointless milking of the franchise. It literally had no point and told a story that didn't need to be told.

I was not impressed with anything in the movie, no, not even the end which was not half as good as Anakin turning Sith in episode 3. The prequels had a much better story and delved deep into the Jedi culture and morals/beliefs. Rogue One had no memorable battles (episode 1 had a much better ending space battle that still holds up today and the chatter between the pilots was very immersive, plus Vader showed his pilot skills) and was also more satisfying.

The end of Rogue POne was slopping with them just forcing action and the whole plot with them just following the woman (can't remember any character names) was bad. So she gives a speach and they just trust her? OK lol. Only people not fans of Star Wars would love it or fans of hyped movies with special effects. I only put it above episode 1 because of the special effects aging poorly and Jar-Jar Binks. Kid Anakin was better than any character in Rogue One.

The Phantom Menace space battle sucked balls. Baby Anakin and "Lets try a trick, lets try going upside down Artoo! Yipppie!". Shudder. 

Rogue One has an awesome space battle, the only one in the saga better is Return of the Jedi's. Vader's Star Destroyer showing up suddenly like that was bad ass. 

The prequels turned the Jedi into unimaginative bores. 



tokilamockingbrd said:
One of the best. IMO SW Fans will like it better than TFA in general, however TFA has broader appeal so non-SW fan movie goers would generally prefer TFA I think.

No, it's exactly the opposite. I even like the prequels, but Rogue One was pointkess and TFA while flawed, was still in the spirit of Star Wars.



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okr said:
Isn't this the 4th prequel already in a series of 8 movies? No thanks, not interested anymore in the franchise.

I like to think of it as just one long story but yes, this series is like 50% prequel!



Dark_Feanor said:

Well, I have to agrre that this was one of the best retcon they could possible have.

HOWEVER most of every other plot points that shoud have tied Jyn´s father work with the rebelion are very confusing.

1- They need to go to another planet, "the Central Imperial Achives", which alone could be a target for the Rebelion for its strategic value or the Senate for investigation. 

It would be, but it seems to be very well protected (tactically the Rebels lose big-time), but I'm also not sure if anyone, Rebel or Senate even know about the facility in the first place. Then, the Senate barely have any power because of the Emperor and is abolished right at the start of IV, so also the end of RO.

2- The name of the project is her nickname but her father didn´t know she would be involved in the mission. I assume he expected Saw Guerrera to lead the atack and he would know the file name. 

Well they started the Death Star project before Erso defected, and so before he and his family lived as farmers and knew Guerrera, so I would guess the project code-name already existed before Erso decided to sabotage everything.

3- Q:Why the Rebelion would want Erso dead as a primary object? A: To create a false tension and a character arch in the movie.

The Rebel general giving that order doesn't know that Erso sabotaged the Death Star though, to him he's nothing other than a dangerous, high-level Imperial scientist.

4- How can the rebelion deploy a fleet so fast without any preparation? How fast can one come and go in this galaxy?

They always have a full fleet around somewhere, it's in V and VI also.

5- The fleet was in contact with the rebels base. Why couldn´t they sent the plans imidiatly? 

Filesize.

Now the bad retcons

1 - The Rebelion lost the whole fleet in the battle and this is forgotten. Are Bothans more important than hundreds of humans and Mon Calamaris?

From RotJ perspective, that was years ago, the Bothans' sacrifice however just happened. And since IV happened minutes after RO, they didn't have time to grieve. (Trying an in-universe explanation, the real explanation is obviously because they made IV 40 years ago)

2- Leia was in the battle and there is no way she could have fulled Vader she was in a "diplomatic mission".

It was a weak excuse by Leia because what else could she come up with in such a short time except for 'nope, wasn't us, honest'. Vader wasn't fooled. He says right away "... then where's the ambassador?". Vader is sarcastic throughout much of the series.

3- Why would Tarkin trust the Death Star safety? It is not his pet project any more and he knew the plans were compromised.

Tarkin doesn't know as far as I'm aware or doesn't believe it, will need to see the movie again. Krennic knew and Vader maybe, but he just doesn't care. Maybe Vader wants the Death Star to fail because then the Emperor keeps him around longer, he's also stating that "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force" in IV so he's obviously not impressed.

Things missing

1- The reason Darth Vader is under  Tarkin.

Vader doesn't answer to Tarkin though, not even in IV.

2- The Senate unrest and disband.

Wasn't needed to be seen in RO, but it would be nice if we'd get some kind of hint either Tarkin or Vader actually know what the Emperor is up to.

3- Reasons for punishing Alderan that severe.

Alderaan was an example set just to coerce Leia into giving up the location of the Rebels on Yavin, and at the same time conveniently a test for the Death Star's full powered shot. He says to Leia in IV; "You prefer another target? A military target? Then name the system." Tarkin is just that evil.

Interesting points, and some pretty good ones as well. I'll try to come up with some in-universe explanation, I think most could be reasonably explained away.

And for the record, the Death Star's weak-spot plothole I think is indeed brilliantly fixed by Rogue One.



S.Peelman said:

Interesting points, and some pretty good ones as well. I'll try to come up with some in-universe explanation, I think most could be reasonably explained away.

And for the record, the Death Star's weak-spot plothole I think is indeed brilliantly fixed by Rogue One.

Thank you for your great answers.

I wasn´t arguing that those were giant plot holes. But it was frustating how close this movie could have come to greatness but failed.

May be the last 10 years playing Halo and Mass Effect, and reading militaristic SciFi has made me more picky.

I tried to go to this movie blind, but I knew about the reshoots. And that made me pay attention to the droped plot points and general narative. It´s clear they rebuilt the movie and patched some key elements.

There is no real overall history arch for any character. We don´t see Jyn growing, however that was seted up many times in the first act. Diego Luna moral dilemas are only hinted. We have no idea the pilot´s motivation. There are too many loose threads

Most of that was droped because a 2h running time and an extended final battle.

Basicaly what went wrong with BvS and Suicide Squad. Only I just don´t get why people give RO a pass.



Dark_Feanor said:
S.Peelman said:

Interesting points, and some pretty good ones as well. I'll try to come up with some in-universe explanation, I think most could be reasonably explained away.

And for the record, the Death Star's weak-spot plothole I think is indeed brilliantly fixed by Rogue One.

Thank you for your great answers.

I wasn´t arguing that those were giant plot holes. But it was frustating how close this movie could have come to greatness but failed.

May be the last 10 years playing Halo and Mass Effect, and reading militaristic SciFi has made me more picky.

I tried to go to this movie blind, but I knew about the reshoots. And that made me pay attention to the droped plot points and general narative. It´s clear they rebuilt the movie and patched some key elements.

There is no real overall history arch for any character. We don´t see Jyn growing, however that was seted up many times in the first act. Diego Luna moral dilemas are only hinted. We have no idea the pilot´s motivation. There are too many loose threads

Most of that was droped because a 2h running time and an extended final battle.

Basicaly what went wrong with BvS and Suicide Squad. Only I just don´t get why people give RO a pass.

I agree on that, it's not perfect. The character development issue and the first act of the film seems to be everyone's major critique. Mine as well. Still, I was more than satisfied.

I do have something else. They put C-3P0 and R2-D2 in the wrong place. They have them in the hangar when the X-Wings take off, but that makes little sense because that would require them to quickly double back to Captain Antilles who has been given his mission by senator Organa prior to that scene. Obviously the droids are on board the ship in IV, so it was probably better to have them stand there with their Captain in that previous scene.