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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

Heh. 

Now do one for non-white male characters.

The funniest thing about this is how clearly the person who made this is pushing an agenda. 2 of these characters are from Heavy Rain - a game where you also play as Madison.

Nathan Drake is now gone and a biracial female has replaced him.

Same thing with Joel- replaced by Ellie.

Aiden from Watch Dogs has been replaced by a black character.

Sheppard is biracial and clearly not white.

GTAV also has a black protagonist.

Ditto for Resident Evil 5. And the franchise general has featured multiple female characters.

Far Cry 3's character was replaced with an indian character in Far Cry 4.

Most of the others I do not know who they are. 



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Lawlight said:
Lawlight said:

Now do one for non-white male characters.

The funniest thing about this is how clearly the person who made this is pushing an agenda. 2 of these characters are from Heavy Rain - a game where you also play as Madison.

Nathan Drake is now gone and a biracial female has replaced him.

Same thing with Joel- replaced by Ellie.

Aiden from Watch Dogs has been replaced by a black character.

Sheppard is biracial and clearly not white.

GTAV also has a black protagonist.

Ditto for Resident Evil 5. And the franchise general has featured multiple female characters.

Far Cry 3's character was replaced with an indian character in Far Cry 4.

Most of the others I do not know who they are. 

Yes and? The point is white males are more than well represented in modern gaming. Anyone who's denying that is simply blind. 

GTAV has three protagonists, two of them are white.



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

The funniest thing about this is how clearly the person who made this is pushing an agenda. 2 of these characters are from Heavy Rain - a game where you also play as Madison.

Nathan Drake is now gone and a biracial female has replaced him.

Same thing with Joel- replaced by Ellie.

Aiden from Watch Dogs has been replaced by a black character.

Sheppard is biracial and clearly not white.

GTAV also has a black protagonist.

Ditto for Resident Evil 5. And the franchise general has featured multiple female characters.

Far Cry 3's character was replaced with an indian character in Far Cry 4.

Most of the others I do not know who they are. 

Yes and? The point is white males are more than well represented in modern gaming. Anyone who's denying that is simply blind. 

The topic is about lack of diversity though. I'm pointing out that there's not. Games are also made in the NA and Europe where the majority is white. White males are well represented but that doesn't mean that there is a lack of diversity. Anyone denying that is simply blind.



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

Now do one for non-white male characters.

As the protagonist?

Not sure if Kirby is a male tho. 

Yes, as the protagonist.



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

I'm sorry but that's pure bullshit. The majority of protagonists in games are still white. In fact 90% of characters (humanoid) in games are white. And I don't have a big problem with that. But don't give me that "the Kingdom Hearts characters are Asian" ... they're about as Asian as Brad Pitt. 

You don't agree because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. Just this year we've had (only including big releases):

Watch Dogs 2

Dishonored 2

Battlefield 1

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Mafia 3

Recore

Mirror's Edge Catalyst

In the next 2 months we have Horizon and Gravity Rush 2 coming. God of War, The Last of Us 2 and Uncharted are coming up with non-white male protagonists as well.

And yes, I don't count anime characters as white. You probably think Sangoku is white too.

Uh......I thought that Kratos was white in God of War? Sorry i'm probably wrong i've only played #3. And The Last of Us 2? Unless you have insider info, Joel is still the main protagonist in the game. 



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

Yes and? The point is white males are more than well represented in modern gaming. Anyone who's denying that is simply blind. 

The topic is about lack of diversity though. I'm pointing out that there's not. Games are also made in the NA and Europe where the majority is white. White males are well represented but that doesn't mean that there is a lack of diversity. Anyone denying that is simply blind.

In Europe perhaps, but not America. Under 18 in America will soon be a majority minority and the younger portions of the population are very mixed. Walk into any GameStop or game section at Best Buy, it sure as hell isn't just white kids there. 

Then you also have Japan, South Korea, and other markets that are rising like China/India. 

So game characters becoming more diverse is not terribly surprising. 

The audience that actually plays these games I would say is up to 45% non-white and that number is growing. Gaming is a wonderfully diverse community. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

You don't agree because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. Just this year we've had (only including big releases):

Watch Dogs 2

Dishonored 2

Battlefield 1

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Mafia 3

Recore

Mirror's Edge Catalyst

In the next 2 months we have Horizon and Gravity Rush 2 coming. God of War, The Last of Us 2 and Uncharted are coming up with non-white male protagonists as well.

And yes, I don't count anime characters as white. You probably think Sangoku is white too.

Uh......I thought that Kratos was white in God of War? Sorry i'm probably wrong i've only played #3. And The Last of Us 2? Unless you have insider info, Joel is still the main protagonist in the game. 

ND said that Ellie is the protagonist. And yeah, Kratos only looks white because of the ashes but the creator said that he was a mixture of white, black, asian and middle eastern and he does look non-white before the ashes.



Lawlight said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Uh......I thought that Kratos was white in God of War? Sorry i'm probably wrong i've only played #3. And The Last of Us 2? Unless you have insider info, Joel is still the main protagonist in the game. 

ND said that Ellie is the protagonist. And yeah, Kratos only looks white because of the ashes but the creator said that he was a mixture of white, black, asian and middle eastern and he does look non-white before the ashes.

Oh damn really? That's pretty sick. I know Kratos is voiced by a black dude(I know it's a new voice actor but iirc the last one was black as well). 

 

I for one am happy to hear you play as Ellie. Kind of expected 50% Ellie 50% joel though. hm........

I'm thinking something i hope is not true right now :( 



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

The topic is about lack of diversity though. I'm pointing out that there's not. Games are also made in the NA and Europe where the majority is white. White males are well represented but that doesn't mean that there is a lack of diversity. Anyone denying that is simply blind.

In Europe perhaps, but not America. Under 18 in America will soon be a majority minority and the younger portions of the population are very mixed. Walk into any GameStop or game section at Best Buy, it sure as hell isn't just white kids there. 

Then you also have Japan, South Korea, and other markets that are rising like China/India. 

So game characters becoming more diverse is not terribly surprising. 

The audience that actually plays these games I would say is up to 45% non-white and that number is growing. Gaming is a wonderfully diverse community. 

I didn't realise that games like Watch Dogs 2 or The Last of Us 2 were being made with China in mind. And have to capture those ~150,000 PS4 owners in India, right. Give me the Asian market mainly China and South Korea have their own developers making games for them and aren't the primary audience for the games we're talking about.

How are you ariving to the 45% conclusion?



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

ND said that Ellie is the protagonist. And yeah, Kratos only looks white because of the ashes but the creator said that he was a mixture of white, black, asian and middle eastern and he does look non-white before the ashes.

Oh damn really? That's pretty sick. I know Kratos is voiced by a black dude(I know it's a new voice actor but iirc the last one was black as well). 

 

I for one am happy to hear you play as Ellie. Kind of expected 50% Ellie 50% joel though. hm........

I'm thinking something i hope is not true right now :( 

I think I know what you're thinking.