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Mr Puggsly said:
LurkerJ said:

What a nice attempt to summerize Bernie's talk of economics. You are wrong, of course. 

You should have bolded the sentence after that, its crucial to my point.

Anywho, he was a self proclaimed socialist and that simply isn't gonna work in our country especially the way they want to implement it. Our government is too irresponsible with money.

Well, I don't even know why he called himself a socialist, when he very obviously is not. He might have been in the past, but what he was advocating this election was New Deal politics, which was actually put in place to prevent socialism.



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Trump is the president-elect. We are in a post-fact world. So why is Obama still talking about facts.



SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

This election was probably the greatest example of that but I blame the left for much of it.

The dems simply cant have a discussion without calling people racist, sexist, etc. Those kind of attacks kill any serious discussion.

So if the right uses baseless and unfounded labels and names it's all good but if the left calls them out on it it's all wrong?

 

Right:  When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.
Left: How racist of you.
Right:  Look at them attack me and call me racists for being racist.

Trump said good people come out of Mexico as well.

I saw a stat that claimed Obama threw out 2.5 million illegals and 91% were criminals. There is objectively a problem with criminal illegals. Our prisions also have plenty of criminal illegals.

The problem is Trump's choice of words because that allowed left wingers to push the agenda he hates all Mexicans. But he did get a lot of hispanic votes so clearly there are people that see the real issue with our lax enfocement on illegal immigration. 



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Soundwave said:

In a way I think Clinton got locked into a weird feedback loop where Trump would do/say something that would basically kill any other candidate's campaign, but then it would swing back to "well ... uh .... she has EMAILZ!" because there had to be something relatively equivalent on the other side to have an arguement about. 

it was not just the emails themselves, it was her gross incompetance in the whole matter. Her general incompetitence was reinforced after the election when we started to learn all the stupid decisions she made and the stupid yes persons she surrounded herself with (why the hell would you never ONCE go to Wisconsin)



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Soundwave said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Politics in the USA is so childish, petty and pathetic. There was no real debate on anything, it was all about personal attacks of both candidates.

It's really gone down the toilet since about the 90s I think. Before that I think there was a little more respect/decorum. 

The rise of the internet and talk radio/Fox News IMO has poisoned the discourse and made into juvenile WWE style shock posturing. 

Trump just took it to the Nth level. 

What a load of rubbish.

The FBI was investigating Hillary specifically for federal offences.

The CIA was not investigating Trump specifically for anything.

 

Apples and Oranges, or maybe sour grapes and oranges in this instance.



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SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Trump said good people come out of Mexico as well.

I saw a stat that claimed Obama threw out 2.5 million illegals and 91% were criminals. There is objectively a problem with criminal illegals. Our prisions also have plenty of criminal illegals.

The problem is Trump's choice of words because that allowed left wingers to push the agenda he hates all Mexicans. But he did get a lot of hispanic votes so clearly there are people that see the real issue with our lax enfocement on illegal immigration. 

So the problem isn't the left calling out racism and bigotry but Trump's inability to express his thoughts and concerns in a manner that doesn't sound like racism and bigotry.

The left is the racism and bigotry.

Hillary was even starting to feign being triggered towards the end.

Hyperbole and creating divisive issues out of nothing is all the left is good at. Biggest racists in the game and utterly dishonest and untrustworthy to boot. 



Shouldn't Trump wait until he is inaugurated before meddling in anything? I mean, he did not even win the populat vote - he is not very legit as a president to begin with.

If anything Obama seems to try to avoid causing a stir - watch those republicans who blaimed him for not being strong enough against Russia being all causy with a president who wants to be BFF with Putin.

Now the problems Trump and his administration could cause in the short/medium therm are pretty big, you can see the appointees he has put up front so far, they're either from the oil and gas industry, or have some fishy links to foreign powers - as they are employees of other countries!... remember how things were at the end of the W. Bush area? this will be much worse.



Lafiel said:
StarOcean said:
Obama, just have the CIA kill Trump, the US is corrupt and broken anyway. No one would cry if he was assassinated

the problem with that is the next in line to be president is Mike Pence (arguably worse than Trump) and after that afaik Paul Ryan (arguably even worse than Pence) and after that it's afaik up to the rep house and senate, which could result in an improvement over Trump

Kill'em all in one day, we'll be fine with whatever scraps they have left



I don't see Trump term ending well. You can't just get a debt of 20 trillion dollars and the biggest bubble ever (even bigger than 2008 crisis) and magically solve it without making it pops first. This is why I wish hillary had won, at least it would pop in the democrats' hands.

I hope the libertarian party builds up for the 2020 elections.



SpokenTruth said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Trump said good people come out of Mexico as well.

I saw a stat that claimed Obama threw out 2.5 million illegals and 91% were criminals. There is objectively a problem with criminal illegals. Our prisions also have plenty of criminal illegals.

The problem is Trump's choice of words because that allowed left wingers to push the agenda he hates all Mexicans. But he did get a lot of hispanic votes so clearly there are people that see the real issue with our lax enfocement on illegal immigration. 

So the problem isn't the left calling out racism and bigotry but Trump's inability to express his thoughts and concerns in a manner that doesn't sound like racism and bigotry.

We all know he was referring to illegals and its evident there is a problem when Obama pushes out over 2 million criminal illegals.

But the narative became Trump hates Mexicans. It was a false narative to hurt Trump with hispanic voters and I'm glad it had little to no effect in the end. But lets see if dems run on sexism and racism next time.



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