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I flew too close to the 1TF sun and my Switch wings melted.

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I really did think that Switch was going to be close to XB1 performance when docked and close to Wii U in handheld mode. Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but all the signs seemed to be there. Western 3rd party devs talking up the system and pledging support, leaks and rumors pointing to performance not too far behind XB1, that footage of the new Switch game that looked gorgeous. But it was all a lie, the western 3rd party support will be just like Wii U, strong at first but quickly falling off once devs realize it's too expensive and time consuming to make lower quality assets just so their games can run on Switch. The gorgeous Switch game was running on a PC, not on a Switch dev kit. *sigh*



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bigtakilla said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
So Bethesda said it was the best thing at e3 because it was extremely underpowered? Im sorry, but as long as Bethesda has been around, theyce never bowed down to Nintendo simply for their popularity alone. Bethesda has always pushed nintendo away when they were underpowered. Even if this console is at say 900 Tflops, thats sufficient enough. What i trust is the confirned knowledge of Todd Howard, even if his games suck. Not rumors. WAIT 24 DAYS

Todd Howard hasn't said anything about its power. You're now grasping at straws.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
So Bethesda said it was the best thing at e3 because it was extremely underpowered? Im sorry, but as long as Bethesda has been around, theyce never bowed down to Nintendo simply for their popularity alone. Bethesda has always pushed nintendo away when they were underpowered. Even if this console is at say 900 Tflops, thats sufficient enough. What i trust is the confirned knowledge of Todd Howard, even if his games suck. Not rumors. WAIT 24 DAYS

Business marketing. Money is exchanged. Nintendo likely reached out to Bethesda to show they have western support for Switch.

24 days? No, Nintendo never reveal their specs. We get them from developer documents (like what Eurogamer reported on now) and from people gutting the systems once they are commercially available.



CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:

Like I said, Wii & DS were considered innovative takes on motion & touch controls as was Kinect for gesture controls and the new VR headsets for virtual reality.

None of those ideas were new, they were simply far more streamlined, accessible & higher quality versions of already existing ideas. Despite that, they are all considered to be innovative.

The concept doesn't matter if the execution sucks, which is what makes the ability to play the full Nintendo ecosystem at home or on the go on Switch innovative while the ability to play the full Playstation ecosystem at home or on the go is an expensive & cumbersome mess.

But why is it so combersome?

Like I said, you have to own a Playstation 4, a Playstation Vita & a Playstation TV ($800 if all bought at launch) in order to have full access to the Playstation ecosystem at home or on the go and you can't simply buy a game and have it seamlessly work on all devices.

For example, certain Vita games can't be played on the TV at all and you have to stream the PS4 games to Vita meaning that you have to have a stable internet connection in order to play them on the go.

With Switch it is as simple as buying a single device ($250-300 at launch) and allowing the full library of games to be played at home or on the go.

Switch is 100x more streamlined & accessible.



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CaptainExplosion said:
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It's not about what you or I want, it's what third parties want in order to port their games to it. Without third party support this system will end up dead on arrival.

For me, it is only about what I want. The hell should I care about others? And screw third parties, their games suck ass anyway. I try to play Battlefield 1 on PC since three days, but it doesn't let me. It always says "unknown error, fuck you", no matter if I choose quick game, Operations or try to join with the server browser. I looked for 2 hours at loading screens these last few days but didn't play one bit!

Then there's Civilization 6. I usually adore Civ, but that game ALWAYS crashes my whole computer when I want to quit it! I hate that, stop it!

And those are only technical issues, I'm not even talking about the gameplay, oh boy, don't get me started! Meanwhile, everything's fine and dandy on my 3DS and Wii U. Ok, so maybe Switch will sell like crap, but why should I care? Wii U sold like crap and it's one hell of a console! I definitely play more on that console lately than on PS4!

Bottom line: I am still hyped and there is nothing you can do about it! =P



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I'm not disappointed, I've always viewed the Switch as a handheld first, so even with the current leaked specs; I'm still hyped for the machine.



zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

My point wasn't about price at all. Besides, I got one of my vitas on clearance for $50 (and my PS TV for a whopping $13), and the PS4 was on sale black friday for what? $230 at some places? So that's only $270 for that experience presently if you shop around . But that's really neither here nor there.

The point was about how this option currently exists. Sure Nintendo is taking it a step further, but they didn't exactly change the face of gaming as we know it by offering a better version of what others have been doing for years any more than Sony changed the face of gaming by releasing the PS4. It's a new iteration on an established idea using more current technologies.

Like I said, Wii & DS were considered innovative takes on motion & touch controls as was Kinect for gesture controls and the new VR headsets for virtual reality.

None of those ideas were new, they were simply far more streamlined, accessible & higher quality versions of already existing ideas. Despite that, they are all considered to be innovative.

The concept doesn't matter if the execution sucks, which is what makes the ability to play the full Nintendo ecosystem at home or on the go on Switch innovative while the ability to play the full Playstation ecosystem at home or on the go is an expensive & cumbersome mess.

.... you do realize that you don't actually know at this point that the Switch plays the "full Nintendo ecosystem", right?



All those people saying im wrong dont seem to ubderstand something : context. Call of Duty said this about the Wii U because they were hyping up a underpowered system that they could still use. If Bethesda didnt believe that their games would sell and run well on Switch, they ouldnt say anything because theyve been quick to criticize Nintendo in the past. Uts not the same betweeb the two companies AT ALL. 

 

Theres been rumors its underpowered, and rumors its overpowered. Stop believing crap, wait till confirmation(if not by Nintendi, third party ports)



The Switch was always a tablet. Of course it was going to be weak. I had hype until it was shown to be a tablet with controller nubs. After that hype was and is dead. As far as I'm concerned its Wii U 2.0 and I've already been burnt once.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Like I said, Wii & DS were considered innovative takes on motion & touch controls as was Kinect for gesture controls and the new VR headsets for virtual reality.

None of those ideas were new, they were simply far more streamlined, accessible & higher quality versions of already existing ideas. Despite that, they are all considered to be innovative.

The concept doesn't matter if the execution sucks, which is what makes the ability to play the full Nintendo ecosystem at home or on the go on Switch innovative while the ability to play the full Playstation ecosystem at home or on the go is an expensive & cumbersome mess.

.... you do realize that you don't actually know at this point that the Switch plays the "full Nintendo ecosystem", right?

While it is not 100% confirmed or been explicitly stated, I'm not a child and can read between the lines.

Merging the handheld & console divisions for both hardware & software in addition to releasing a device that acts as both a handheld & a console makes it pretty obvious that the whole point of Switch it to release a single device that recieves the full software output and functionality of the two previous ecosystems.

So while it is technically possible that Nintendo will release another device that has its own unique features and software library, the chances of that are about .00001%



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