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bdbdbd said:
Ljink96 said:

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are racist...I don't think I ever actually said that. All I said was when some supporters think it's okay to say things like they've said and they're backed by a notoriously racist group, it raises questions. The game thing just isn't working man, it just doesn't work in this scenario. If somebody is racist and plays Mario Kart, they like Mario Kart and they happen to be racist. That's all I'm getting from this. How can a game be racist? It doesn't have feelings... the analogy simply doesn't work.

The analogy does work. If you're a vegan and voted for Trump, does that make Trump a vegan? You believe in god and voted for Trump, does that make Trump believe in god? There are matters in politics that people vote for or vote against. Your view is somewhat naive, as it's starting out on an assumption that when someone is "bad", he/she is "bad" in everything. If you're a racist, you're speeding too and stealing candy from a store. Pretty much like in kids cartoons a bad guy is bad even in the simpliest things, just for the sake of being bad.

But I never said Trump was racist...Never... nor did I say every trump supporter was racist...never... Like I said, it doesn't work in my scenario.  What I'm getting at is the stuff Trump said during the campaign hadn't been heard of for years in any candidate. When supporters who thought like Trump was speaking heard about him, they came out of the woodwork because of the way he spoke, the way he carried himself.  It reminded them of themselves. I'm obviously referring to the KKK and other WS groups. Bush wasn't supported by the KKK, Clinton wasn't, Bush Sr. wasn't, Regan wasn't, Carter wasn't...need I go on. Why Trump? You know?



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Ljink96 said:
pleaserecycle said:


You're part of the problem.  You're overgeneralizing.  

There are racist Trump supporters.  There are racist Clinton supporters.  There are racist Legend of Zelda fans.  There are racist Mario Kart fans.  But none of those imply that Trump, Clinton, Legend of Zelda, or Mario Kart is racist.  

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are racist...I don't think I ever actually said that. All I said was when some supporters think it's okay to say things like they've said and they're backed by a notoriously racist group, it raises questions. The game thing just isn't working man, it just doesn't work in this scenario. If somebody is racist and plays Mario Kart, they like Mario Kart and they happen to be racist. That's all I'm getting from this. How can a game be racist? It doesn't have feelings... the analogy simply doesn't work.

"Didn't hear any racial slurs and hate speech out of Clinton's supporters or campaigns. When a Trump supporter thinks it's okay to shout "Fuck them Niggers" we have to take a closer look at his supporters and their mindsets. Most of them are white males and older mid age to elderly whites that think this kind of language and understanding is normal. I didn't want someone who has supporters who promote and believe these terrible things to be my president."

I guess you didn't actually say all.



pleaserecycle said:
Ljink96 said:

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are racist...I don't think I ever actually said that. All I said was when some supporters think it's okay to say things like they've said and they're backed by a notoriously racist group, it raises questions. The game thing just isn't working man, it just doesn't work in this scenario. If somebody is racist and plays Mario Kart, they like Mario Kart and they happen to be racist. That's all I'm getting from this. How can a game be racist? It doesn't have feelings... the analogy simply doesn't work.

"Didn't hear any racial slurs and hate speech out of Clinton's supporters or campaigns. When a Trump supporter thinks it's okay to shout "Fuck them Niggers" we have to take a closer look at his supporters and their mindsets. Most of them are white males and older mid age to elderly whites that think this kind of language and understanding is normal. I didn't want someone who has supporters who promote and believe these terrible things to be my president."

Well, that's grammar my friend. I should have used a comma or something. I don't think all Trump supporters are racist, a majority of them are caucasian though, a fact that I stated. I guess I also overgeneralized by saying "most". Terrible phrasing on my part. 



Ljink96 said:

Both candidates sucked hard. But I would rather have somebody with an inkling on how the world outside works (outside of business, which Trump isn't that good at either truth be told). When Obama won the presidency, we didn't see videos with aftrican americans shaming and shouting racial slurs at caucasians. That didn't happen. But when Trump won we saw NUMEROUS videos about students shouting "BUILD A WALL" around hispanics. That is fucking sick. For people to think that's okay under Trump's victory is VERY scary. It reminds me too much of Hilter's road to power. 

BLM didn't start out as what it is today or what it's precived to be today. It started out of the concern that police officers didn't think their lives mattered as they were swatting unarmed youth like flies with no consequence. Whatever BLM has turned into or was transformed into today is sad, but anger builds up when mothers lose their children unnecessarily and without proper justice. That makes people literally ill. 

I would have voted for Bernie had the DNC not cheated so I don't care what people say about Hillary's campaign, her campaign was just as guilty and sad as Trump's.

I assume by caucasian you mean white people (caucasoid) and not Caucasians, as Caucasian would be Turkish/Iranian/Georgian etc. Yes, you did not see them doing that. And I don't think you'd be seeing it now either, if the Clinton campaign had not been a racist attack against these people. I don't think it's right that innocent people suffer from it, but we'd see the opposite if Clinton had won.

It really doesn't matter what BLM was started as, what matters is what it is today. 

The Clinton rhetorics is much closer to Hitler than what Trumps is.

I think Sanders had won against Trump.



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bdbdbd said:
Ljink96 said:

Both candidates sucked hard. But I would rather have somebody with an inkling on how the world outside works (outside of business, which Trump isn't that good at either truth be told). When Obama won the presidency, we didn't see videos with aftrican americans shaming and shouting racial slurs at caucasians. That didn't happen. But when Trump won we saw NUMEROUS videos about students shouting "BUILD A WALL" around hispanics. That is fucking sick. For people to think that's okay under Trump's victory is VERY scary. It reminds me too much of Hilter's road to power. 

BLM didn't start out as what it is today or what it's precived to be today. It started out of the concern that police officers didn't think their lives mattered as they were swatting unarmed youth like flies with no consequence. Whatever BLM has turned into or was transformed into today is sad, but anger builds up when mothers lose their children unnecessarily and without proper justice. That makes people literally ill. 

I would have voted for Bernie had the DNC not cheated so I don't care what people say about Hillary's campaign, her campaign was just as guilty and sad as Trump's.

I assume by caucasian you mean white people (caucasoid) and not Caucasians, as Caucasian would be Turkish/Iranian/Georgian etc. Yes, you did not see them doing that. And I don't think you'd be seeing it now either, if the Clinton campaign had not been a racist attack against these people. I don't think it's right that innocent people suffer from it, but we'd see the opposite if Clinton had won.

It really doesn't matter what BLM was started as, what matters is what it is today. 

The Clinton rhetorics is much closer to Hitler than what Trumps is.

I think Sanders had won against Trump.

Just like it doesn't matter what Trump said during his presidency but what he says today, which will also change, and change again? 

Clinton's rhetorics don't involve shaming and disgracing entire races as she's white and supports all races...which is what america should be about.

You know what I mean, WHITE PEOPLE. I tried to be sensitive. I don't think we'd see the opposite. If we did, it wouldn't be because minorites started it. If you're the underdog and you get a victory of course you're going to celebrate. But I don't think hispanics would have shamed whites as it doesn't happen already. 



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Ljink96 said:
bdbdbd said:

The analogy does work. If you're a vegan and voted for Trump, does that make Trump a vegan? You believe in god and voted for Trump, does that make Trump believe in god? There are matters in politics that people vote for or vote against. Your view is somewhat naive, as it's starting out on an assumption that when someone is "bad", he/she is "bad" in everything. If you're a racist, you're speeding too and stealing candy from a store. Pretty much like in kids cartoons a bad guy is bad even in the simpliest things, just for the sake of being bad.

But I never said Trump was racist...Never... nor did I say every trump supporter was racist...never... Like I said, it doesn't work in my scenario.  What I'm getting at is the stuff Trump said during the campaign hadn't been heard of for years in any candidate. When supporters who thought like Trump was speaking heard about him, they came out of the woodwork because of the way he spoke, the way he carried himself.  It reminded them of themselves. I'm obviously referring to the KKK and other WS groups. Bush wasn't supported by the KKK, Clinton wasn't, Bush Sr. wasn't, Regan wasn't, Carter wasn't...need I go on. Why Trump? You know?

The voting percentage was low, so I don't really think Trump was able to wake anyone up, quite the opposite. The elections in a nutshell was people voting against the candidate they saw less bad. That's pretty much all there is. If KKK thought Trump was the better candidate, that's what they did then, it's not like Clinton campaign wasn't a more pr less direct attack against these people. Looks more like the same people that voted Obama, voted for Trump this time.



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

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bdbdbd said:
Ljink96 said:

But I never said Trump was racist...Never... nor did I say every trump supporter was racist...never... Like I said, it doesn't work in my scenario.  What I'm getting at is the stuff Trump said during the campaign hadn't been heard of for years in any candidate. When supporters who thought like Trump was speaking heard about him, they came out of the woodwork because of the way he spoke, the way he carried himself.  It reminded them of themselves. I'm obviously referring to the KKK and other WS groups. Bush wasn't supported by the KKK, Clinton wasn't, Bush Sr. wasn't, Regan wasn't, Carter wasn't...need I go on. Why Trump? You know?

The voting percentage was low, so I don't really think Trump was able to wake anyone up, quite the opposite. The elections in a nutshell was people voting against the candidate they saw less bad. That's pretty much all there is. If KKK thought Trump was the better candidate, that's what they did then, it's not like Clinton campaign wasn't a more pr less direct attack against these people. Looks more like the same people that voted Obama, voted for Trump this time.

5 Million more people voted in 2016 vs. 2012. Obama had the popular vote in 2012 and won by 5 million votes. This year it went up for Republican and Democratic votes, about 5 million more for Democrats 10 million more for republicans. He woke some people up and some people shifted. You can't say one didn't happen. 



Ljink96 said:
pleaserecycle said:

"Didn't hear any racial slurs and hate speech out of Clinton's supporters or campaigns. When a Trump supporter thinks it's okay to shout "Fuck them Niggers" we have to take a closer look at his supporters and their mindsets. Most of them are white males and older mid age to elderly whites that think this kind of language and understanding is normal. I didn't want someone who has supporters who promote and believe these terrible things to be my president."

Well, that's grammar my friend. I should have used a comma or something. I don't think all Trump supporters are racist, a majority of them are caucasian though, a fact that I stated. I guess I also overgeneralized by saying "most". Terrible phrasing on my part. 

No biggie.  :)



thranx said:

And why dont they include sun activity, and the role the sun plays? I mean it is the source of our heat right? But lets forget about that and focus on a non harmful gas that feeds plants. If i'm not mistaken at one point the sarah desert was at one point not a desert, but it is now and that happened before the industrial revolution. who is to blame for that one?

Solar UV radiation/the irradiation intensity has a ~20 year cycle, but it's variations are very minute and viewed within a period of a few thousend years this irradiation intensity is pretty much constant, yet the sun is slowly sending out more energy (getting hotter) > in 500million to 1 billion years carbon based life on the earth's surface (same orbit) might not be viable anymore. The sun's wildly changing magnetic activity however has no measureable impact on temperature/our climate, as long as it doesn't blast away our atmosphere (which is protected by earth's magnetic field).

A bigger influence on the earth's short scale climate (10k years - 100k years) is it's cyclical changes in orbit. When earth is sligthly closer to the sun it gets warmer and colder when it's further away - this cycles (100k years cycle) closest approach to the sun was 6k-8k years ago, during the so called holocene climate optimum and since then the earth's orbit has become slightly larger.

The desertification of the Sahara obviously is a very complex theme, but the gist of it is that it's being drained of humidity due to the "Hadley Cell", a tropical air circulation system, and it's normal state during our ice age is that of a desert. Yet due to a large number of factors (cyclical shifts in earth's rotational axis, melt water influx, displacement of the Hadley Cell system etc)  the Sahara had 3 known short green phases within the last 200k years - latest one being from 8k years to 5.9k years before now (~2k years in duration).

 

Btw ofcourse scientists looked at a great great many factors that influence our climate before and still track them, but the only one actually changing dramatically and hence looking like the main trigger to the manifold of changes we observed in the last decades is atmospheric CO2/H2O/CH4/N2O concentration > human emissions.



Ljink96 said:

But I never said Trump was racist...Never... nor did I say every trump supporter was racist...never... Like I said, it doesn't work in my scenario.  What I'm getting at is the stuff Trump said during the campaign hadn't been heard of for years in any candidate. When supporters who thought like Trump was speaking heard about him, they came out of the woodwork because of the way he spoke, the way he carried himself.  It reminded them of themselves. I'm obviously referring to the KKK and other WS groups. Bush wasn't supported by the KKK, Clinton wasn't, Bush Sr. wasn't, Regan wasn't, Carter wasn't...need I go on. Why Trump? You know?

FYI, Trump disavows seeking endorsement from David Duke and white supremacist groups like the KKK so Trump isn't the one supporting them either ... 

Trump also does not promote hate crimes against minorities either, in fact he addressed it! 

He has a human side, believe it or not but you refuse to see it at every turn ...