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UnderstatedCornHole said:
Flilix said:

Liberal science? What does that even mean?

Pixie dust and magic carpets.

These 'liberal scientists' you were talking about are probably the least superstitious people in the world.

They know you should do research instead of just believing what other people say.



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bunchanumbers said:
Its amusing. Your house could be on fire, and I'm thinking that some of you would still be saying 'Prove it.'

Your post makes absolutely no sense.



IsawYoshi said:
Flilix said:

Well... God made the earth and since God is perfect he wouldn't make such a dumb mistake, right?
He loves us, so he will help us when times are hard (like he always did in the past?)
So we shouldn't care about things like climate change, we can do whatever we want.

By the way, why would we believe scientists? They lied about the evolution theory and about the earth being round too.

(This is not my opinion, but this is how some religious people seem to think.)

As far as I remember the bible says something about creating humans with free will. So I would presume this means that we are able to screw up earth if we want to, even from a human perspective.

I mean, I doubt many christians, or other religious would think that the nuclear threat during the cold war was made up because god wouldn't allow it. Christianity, and probably other religions to without me knowing anything about it more than opens up for us screwing up everything.

The popes scientist (in the 1500s or something) once said the rings of saturn were remnants from jesus' foreskin. So they are right in believing that scientists aren't always right...

I know quite a few devout christians here at med. School that have no problem accepting these theories. This is because they look at the bible as moral teachings, not just a lot of 100% true stories. I wish more were like them, but hey, what could you do?

Apparently, most of these people seem to think that scientists say that climate change will destroy the earth.

Sometimes God lets us suffer (because he loves us? There was a reason for our suffering, but I can't remember), but he would never completly destroy his earth.

Luckily, I don't know any of these people in real life.



Lawlight said:
bunchanumbers said:
Its amusing. Your house could be on fire, and I'm thinking that some of you would still be saying 'Prove it.'

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

The beauty of it is that it really does make sense.



Flilix said:

Apparently, most of these people seem to think that scientists say that climate change will destroy the earth.

Sometimes God lets us suffer (because he loves us? There was a reason for our suffering, but I can't remember), but he would never completly destroy his earth.

Luckily, I don't know any of these people in real life.

To assume that a particular God is going to interfere with "Earth" is a baseless assumption, ignoring the fact there is no evidence to support the existence of a deity anyway. - Regardless of which of the several thousand Gods you believe in.

This Earth will eventually be destroyed when Sol (Our Sun) becomes a Red Giant. Our Atmosphere, oceans, everything, will be evaporated. - It is just a matter of time, not if. - And there is nothing any of the thousands of Gods that various people believe in, will do to stop it.
The Suns fuel is finite.

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As for Climate Change. It is real. Majority of scientists, weather researches, institutions/organizations/governments support it's happening.

There is undeniable proof.

We have records from Tree rings that points to increases in carbon.
We have records in our Arctic regions via Ice-pole gathering that points to increases of Carbon and other gases.
We have recorded what gases take up what amount in our atmosphere for decades, which has seen constitent increases in Carbon.
We have recorded increases in sea levels.
We have recorded increases in carbonic acid in our oceans.
We have recoded increases in desertification.
We have recorded average increases in temperature.
We have recorded increases in catastrophic weather events.

We can observe the effect that Carbon has in trapping thermal radiation in a scientific laboratory. Ergo. Carbon would have the *exact* same effect in our atmosphere trapping thermal radiation from our Sun.

The only people who can deny Climate Change are idiots or who have an ulterior motive. (Aka. Money.)
Trump is clearly both, an idiot and has an ulterior motive. (Business.)



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Pemalite said:
Flilix said:

Apparently, most of these people seem to think that scientists say that climate change will destroy the earth.

Sometimes God lets us suffer (because he loves us? There was a reason for our suffering, but I can't remember), but he would never completly destroy his earth.

Luckily, I don't know any of these people in real life.

To assume that a particular God is going to interfere with "Earth" is a baseless assumption, ignoring the fact there is no evidence to support the existence of a deity anyway. - Regardless of which of the several thousand Gods you believe in.

I know, but for some people the bible/quran/... is a scientific and historically correct book. These books are 'written by God' so that's evidence enough for them. Their whole live is based on this book, so there can't be any mistakes in it. If there would be some mistakes, other things might be incorrect too, so that would make their lives worthless. That's why they deny anything that could suggest their book was wrong.



Shadow1980 said:

Slimebeast said:
I like his attitude. That's an honest, humble statement, because it's fact that nobody really knows.

The predictions by the international panel for climate change has this far been wrong, and constantly overestimated the temperature. The models still don't work. We don't know the true climate sensitivity of CO2 yet.

There's nothing "honest" about claiming that scientists are engaging in a hoax. There's nothing "humble" about implying that you know better than the real experts that have dedicated their lives to their field. And while there's still a lot of uncertainty about the potential effects of global warming, we've eliminated the uncertainty about the cause. Humans are the cause.

There's a meme in the right-wing about "poison M&Ms" being used to justify anti-Muslim, immigration policies, but I find it odd that, even if there's only a 1% chance of a worst-case scenario in regards to global warming, they shrug and go "Meh. What do the scientists know? They're all liars, anyway." The cognitive dissonance is staggering. Terrorists imbedded in immigrants fleeing a warzone? Totally plausible and worth taking every measure to prevent. Scientists warn that downtown Miami, Manhattan, New Orleans, the Maldives, and half of Bangladesh, among other places, could be permanently underwater by the end of the century? "ALARMISM! CHICKEN LITTLES EVERYWHERE! THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES! LIBERAL SCIENCE IS A SOCIALIST PLOT!"

lol "scientists warn that downtown Miami, Manhattan, New Orleans, the Maldives, and half of Bangladesh permanently under water". There's zero chance for that to happen with a sea level rise of one or two meter.

It's those kinds of ridiculous claims that in turn make the sceptic side reject everything.



Chris Hu said:

Having health issues and dying are two completely things again its much easier to die from extreme heat then extreme cold. 

Gotta love not reading the article ... 

the-pi-guy said:

No, it doesn't mean the model doesn't work. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

 

Weather is a very complicated thing.  Kinda hard to test if climate change causes hurricanes....  

Doesn't mean the model is wrong, could just mean that we need to include more data in our model.  

There's really no other conclusion ... 

If data doesn't support the assertion then the model is wrong ... 

It's hard to prove if a theory is correct but it's easy to see it's wrong when the teensy tiniest of a disagreement will destroy it ... 



Do you care about climate change? It seems few people do...

http://data.myworld2015.org/

UN Poll Shows Climate Change Is the Lowest of All Global Concerns

Only when the surveys are broken down between rich and poor countries does “climate change” creep higher up the list. In poor countries it becomes even less of a concern.

 People even consider their choice of smartphone more important...

 

 



global cooling, i mean global warming, i mean climate change, i mean global cooling again, i mean its all the co2s fault. oh please. they cant even keep their science straight. when they have actual facts and answers and dont have to resort to fudging data maybe more people will take them seriously. until than all these cap and trade deals, and kyoto deals just hold the US and West back while giving free reign to others. a joke