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thranx said:
global cooling, i mean global warming, i mean climate change, i mean global cooling again, i mean its all the co2s fault. oh please. they cant even keep their science straight. when they have actual facts and answers and dont have to resort to fudging data maybe more people will take them seriously. until than all these cap and trade deals, and kyoto deals just hold the US and West back while giving free reign to others. a joke

  Firstly, the scientific community have never been unified in any way regarding global cooling. Less than 10% in the scientific community believed in future cooling back then. In principle no one do this today, because we have even better measurements and even better understanding of the physics involved. Today scientists (in general) the average is a 95% belief in global warming. 

If you think it's all co2s fault, then you are wrong. Just this sentence alone shows that you haven't looked into this subject at all. 

 

And they do have facts. We know how radiation, heat and molecules interact with each other, and this is enough for us to know for a fact that we are heading towards global warming. The data is only practical proof, just as further proof. Obviously fact isn't enough for some, seems like they need to actually see the life on earth die out before they accept what we've done.

 

thranx said:

Ha ha ha. Never heard of it. You must really research the science than.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

The second sentence in that page of yours says it had little support in the scientific community. You should do som researching on this science of yours. 

 

 

In short I recommend you actually look around at the facts before you start complaining about there being none. 



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bdbdbd said:
Ljink96 said:

Didn't hear any racial slurs and hate speech out of Clinton's supporters or campaigns. When a Trump supporter thinks it's okay to shout "Fuck them Niggers" we have to take a closer look at his supporters and their mindsets. Most of them are white males and older mid age to elderly whites that think this kind of language and understanding is normal. I didn't want someone who has supporters who promote and believe these terrible things to be my president. 

You didn't? Wasn't the whole of Clinton campaign nothing but racial anti-while male hate spewing? Every social movement that was anti 1. white, 2. male, you saw Clinton backing it. If you look at videos of Clinton supporters, they're supporting BLM as well, that's anarchistic racist movement, and even if they don't, you can find lots of people protesting against white males for some other reasons (feminism for example). 

If someone calls you a nigger and treats you equal, opposed to someone who calls you something politically correct and treats you shit, which one is the racist?

The Clinton campaign was roughly based on fascist rhetoric, where you attack a minority that supposedly holds the power from the "real people", this is close to populistic rhetoric that says the financial elite and (their) corrupted politicians hold the power from the people (think about Bernie Sanders rhetoric for example).

It's easy to see how everyone thought Clinton would win, as her campaign was targeted towards women and men of ethnic minorities, leaving Trump with only one minority. But in the end, the Clinton campaign could not touch the "Trump supporters", but Trump campaign targeting the working class, was able to touch the "Clinton supporters", no matter the ethnicity and sex.

How do you Know Trump supporters treat them as equals? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. He was endorsed by White Supremecists and the KKK, take a hint dude!



Man made climate change may turn out to be significant and it may not, but I think we need to be aware that there are those who will use climate change to push their own agenda.

It's important that we don't panic and that every time a solution is proposed we ask the question: what's in it for the person proposing it? What's their agenda?



Ljink96 said:
bdbdbd said:

You didn't? Wasn't the whole of Clinton campaign nothing but racial anti-while male hate spewing? Every social movement that was anti 1. white, 2. male, you saw Clinton backing it. If you look at videos of Clinton supporters, they're supporting BLM as well, that's anarchistic racist movement, and even if they don't, you can find lots of people protesting against white males for some other reasons (feminism for example). 

If someone calls you a nigger and treats you equal, opposed to someone who calls you something politically correct and treats you shit, which one is the racist?

The Clinton campaign was roughly based on fascist rhetoric, where you attack a minority that supposedly holds the power from the "real people", this is close to populistic rhetoric that says the financial elite and (their) corrupted politicians hold the power from the people (think about Bernie Sanders rhetoric for example).

It's easy to see how everyone thought Clinton would win, as her campaign was targeted towards women and men of ethnic minorities, leaving Trump with only one minority. But in the end, the Clinton campaign could not touch the "Trump supporters", but Trump campaign targeting the working class, was able to touch the "Clinton supporters", no matter the ethnicity and sex.

How do you Know Trump supporters treat them as equals? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. He was endorsed by White Supremecists and the KKK, take a hint dude!

I've met many Trump supporters and most of them were not racist or sexist; they were mostly disappointed with the last eight years of Obama.  The media highlights the worst of the bunch because it makes memorable headlines.  Obviously it's not okay to use racial slurs, but it's also not okay to label a large subset of the population based on the unfortunate actions of a few individuals.  

If racist people play Mario Kart, does that make Mario Kart racist?  



pleaserecycle said:
Ljink96 said:

How do you Know Trump supporters treat them as equals? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. He was endorsed by White Supremecists and the KKK, take a hint dude!

I've met many Trump supporters and most of them were not racist or sexist; they were mostly disappointed with the last eight years of Obama.  The media highlights the worst of the bunch because it makes memorable headlines.  Obviously it's not okay to use racial slurs, but it's also not okay to label a large subset of the population based on the unfortunate actions of a few individuals.  

If racist people play Mario Kart, does that make Mario Kart racist?  

The Mario Kart analogy sadly doesn't work on any level possible. But anyways, I was highly upset by the last 8 years of Bush, sent the economy into a deficit, started the shit that was No Child Left behind which has ironically made US students even dumber, and I could go on forever but that doesn't give me the right to call somebody a cracker does it? Of course not. One bad apple spoils the bunch or so they say. 



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Ljink96 said:
pleaserecycle said:

I've met many Trump supporters and most of them were not racist or sexist; they were mostly disappointed with the last eight years of Obama.  The media highlights the worst of the bunch because it makes memorable headlines.  Obviously it's not okay to use racial slurs, but it's also not okay to label a large subset of the population based on the unfortunate actions of a few individuals.  

If racist people play Mario Kart, does that make Mario Kart racist?  

The Mario Kart analogy sadly doesn't work on any level possible. But anyways, I was highly upset by the last 8 years of Bush, sent the economy into a deficit, started the shit that was No Child Left behind which has ironically made US students even dumber, and I could go on forever but that doesn't give me the right to call somebody a cracker does it? Of course not. One bad apple spoils the bunch or so they say. 


You're part of the problem.  You're overgeneralizing.  

There are racist Trump supporters.  There are racist Clinton supporters.  There are racist Legend of Zelda fans.  There are racist Mario Kart fans.  But none of those imply that Trump, Clinton, Legend of Zelda, or Mario Kart is racist.  



pleaserecycle said:
Ljink96 said:

The Mario Kart analogy sadly doesn't work on any level possible. But anyways, I was highly upset by the last 8 years of Bush, sent the economy into a deficit, started the shit that was No Child Left behind which has ironically made US students even dumber, and I could go on forever but that doesn't give me the right to call somebody a cracker does it? Of course not. One bad apple spoils the bunch or so they say. 


You're part of the problem.  You're overgeneralizing.  

There are racist Trump supporters.  There are racist Clinton supporters.  There are racist Legend of Zelda fans.  There are racist Mario Kart fans.  But none of those imply that Trump, Clinton, Legend of Zelda, or Mario Kart is racist.  

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are racist...I don't think I ever actually said that. All I said was when some supporters think it's okay to say things like they've said and they're backed by a notoriously racist group, it raises questions. The game thing just isn't working man, it just doesn't work in this scenario. If somebody is racist and plays Mario Kart, they like Mario Kart and they happen to be racist. That's all I'm getting from this. How can a game be racist? It doesn't have feelings... the analogy simply doesn't work.



Ljink96 said:
bdbdbd said:

You didn't? Wasn't the whole of Clinton campaign nothing but racial anti-while male hate spewing? Every social movement that was anti 1. white, 2. male, you saw Clinton backing it. If you look at videos of Clinton supporters, they're supporting BLM as well, that's anarchistic racist movement, and even if they don't, you can find lots of people protesting against white males for some other reasons (feminism for example). 

If someone calls you a nigger and treats you equal, opposed to someone who calls you something politically correct and treats you shit, which one is the racist?

The Clinton campaign was roughly based on fascist rhetoric, where you attack a minority that supposedly holds the power from the "real people", this is close to populistic rhetoric that says the financial elite and (their) corrupted politicians hold the power from the people (think about Bernie Sanders rhetoric for example).

It's easy to see how everyone thought Clinton would win, as her campaign was targeted towards women and men of ethnic minorities, leaving Trump with only one minority. But in the end, the Clinton campaign could not touch the "Trump supporters", but Trump campaign targeting the working class, was able to touch the "Clinton supporters", no matter the ethnicity and sex.

How do you Know Trump supporters treat them as equals? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. He was endorsed by White Supremecists and the KKK, take a hint dude!

Of course I don't know what they do. There seems to be Trump voters across the spectrum. And Clinton was endorsed by black supremacists and BLM. The point is, that no matter how bad candidate Trump was, Clinton was just as bad, if not worse. Trump had the upper hand by not being corrupted in politics, which wasn't case with Clinton who had the upper hand by experience.

Who should the KKK and BLM people have voted for? Even if you did not support one candidate, you could have voted him/her because the other was even worse from your point of view/voted against one candidate. As the elections weren't about voting for a dictator, the represented party plays a big part just as well. 



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bdbdbd said:
Ljink96 said:

How do you Know Trump supporters treat them as equals? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. He was endorsed by White Supremecists and the KKK, take a hint dude!

Of course I don't know what they do. There seems to be Trump voters across the spectrum. And Clinton was endorsed by black supremacists and BLM. The point is, that no matter how bad candidate Trump was, Clinton was just as bad, if not worse. Trump had the upper hand by not being corrupted in politics, which wasn't case with Clinton who had the upper hand by experience.

Who should the KKK and BLM people have voted for? Even if you did not support one candidate, you could have voted him/her because the other was even worse from your point of view/voted against one candidate. As the elections weren't about voting for a dictator, the represented party plays a big part just as well. 

Both candidates sucked hard. But I would rather have somebody with an inkling on how the world outside works (outside of business, which Trump isn't that good at either truth be told). When Obama won the presidency, we didn't see videos with aftrican americans shaming and shouting racial slurs at caucasians. That didn't happen. But when Trump won we saw NUMEROUS videos about students shouting "BUILD A WALL" around hispanics. That is fucking sick. For people to think that's okay under Trump's victory is VERY scary. It reminds me too much of Hilter's road to power. 

BLM didn't start out as what it is today or what it's precived to be today. It started out of the concern that police officers didn't think their lives mattered as they were swatting unarmed youth like flies with no consequence. Whatever BLM has turned into or was transformed into today is sad, but anger builds up when mothers lose their children unnecessarily and without proper justice. That makes people literally ill. 

I would have voted for Bernie had the DNC not cheated so I don't care what people say about Hillary's campaign, her campaign was just as guilty and sad as Trump's.



Ljink96 said:
pleaserecycle said:


You're part of the problem.  You're overgeneralizing.  

There are racist Trump supporters.  There are racist Clinton supporters.  There are racist Legend of Zelda fans.  There are racist Mario Kart fans.  But none of those imply that Trump, Clinton, Legend of Zelda, or Mario Kart is racist.  

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are racist...I don't think I ever actually said that. All I said was when some supporters think it's okay to say things like they've said and they're backed by a notoriously racist group, it raises questions. The game thing just isn't working man, it just doesn't work in this scenario. If somebody is racist and plays Mario Kart, they like Mario Kart and they happen to be racist. That's all I'm getting from this. How can a game be racist? It doesn't have feelings... the analogy simply doesn't work.

The analogy does work. If you're a vegan and voted for Trump, does that make Trump a vegan? You believe in god and voted for Trump, does that make Trump believe in god? There are matters in politics that people vote for or vote against. Your view is somewhat naive, as it's starting out on an assumption that when someone is "bad", he/she is "bad" in everything. If you're a racist, you're speeding too and stealing candy from a store. Pretty much like in kids cartoons a bad guy is bad even in the simpliest things, just for the sake of being bad.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.