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Soundwave on 15 December 2016
LurkerJ said:

Republicans Unveil Plan To Gut Social Security, Raise Retirement Age

Republicans Are Coming For Your Overtime Pay

Republican Senator Wants Trump To Undo Everything Obama Did

GOP Leader: Repeal Obamacare So More People Will Have Health Insurance

The GOP Is Trying To Kill The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Trump Is Purging The Energy Department Of Science Believers

Trump Picks Anti-Regulation Climate Denier To Lead The EPA

 

I just don't understand how anyone can defend all of that. Literally the unique good thing about Trump was his anti-immigration stand and the republicans, just like the democrats, weren't even on that boat until Trump crushed the GOP primaries. 

Fuck the American media for running after tweets and leaving out the real issues, and fuck the DNC for rigging their primaries and clapping for Hillary

It really is amazing the Republicans can even brand themselves as "working for the middle class" lol, or that they sucker people into voting for them on that basis. 

They are basically a for-business/corporatist party where every rule/regulation should favor corporate suits. 



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mrstickball on 15 December 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
mrstickball said:

Have you tried running a small business in the United States to make that argument? Or been in a situation where you've tried to make a life for yourself, and the government has done more harm than good? There's a reason that conservatives push for smaller government for both the populace and business.

And they'll create an enviroment where big business will play Godzilla with small shop owners.

As government, they have responsability and they're not taking it. People not confronted or protected with/by their own government will start to question why they have it. Que Anarchism.

Historically, that is not true. Democrats are not protectors of small businesses. Look up your state's politicians' records with the NFIB, which is clearly an anti-big business organization.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

WolfpackN64 on 15 December 2016
mrstickball said:
WolfpackN64 said:

And they'll create an enviroment where big business will play Godzilla with small shop owners.

As government, they have responsability and they're not taking it. People not confronted or protected with/by their own government will start to question why they have it. Que Anarchism.

Historically, that is not true. Democrats are not protectors of small businesses. Look up your state's politicians' records with the NFIB, which is clearly an anti-big business organization.

I'm not saying the Democrats are the heros of the working class. Economically, the Democrats and Republicans are both liberal, and they are both stupid.



AsGryffynn on 15 December 2016

Some seem mostly alright. A few of these regulations are terribly redundant and border on red tape, the others are rubbish...

But it's the Republican Party under Trump. Of course they will resemble the Split Personality Movement or Bipolar Party or BOP more than actually make sense.



AsGryffynn on 15 December 2016
pokoko said:

Kind of a mixed bag.  Some of these should definitely be reviewed--actually, all such rules and programs should be reviewed periodically.  Others look like fluff designed to seem meaningful but are really just anchors.  Cutting those will help businesses without hurting anyone.  However, some of these should be left alone or, at worst, streamlined.  Especially programs that help spread technology or protect consumers from misleading product claims.  

I just hope that the pros and cons of each are considered carefully in terms of real-world impact instead of political point scoring.

mrstickball said:

Have you tried running a small business in the United States to make that argument? Or been in a situation where you've tried to make a life for yourself, and the government has done more harm than good? There's a reason that conservatives push for smaller government for both the populace and business.

I've owned and managed two successful small businesses and I found your "in other words" to be far too simplistic.  Many of them have nothing to do with "being responsible for yourself".

He might be referring to Obamacare induced bankruptcies due to skyrocketing premiums, which I agree are among the things Trump needs to scrap on his first day. 

If he wants to keep the protections, he should be able to without ensuring there's a government ruling in favor of mandatory insurance... 

How of making insurance an adaptable thing that will be enabled if you fall sick and be non existent otherwise... 



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VGPolyglot on 15 December 2016

Republicans are trying to fuck over the people. how unsurprising. While they lie to Christians and whites for votes, the Democrats do the same but to minorities. Either way the people lose.



fatslob-:O on 15 December 2016
kitler53 said:

have you been born into extreem poverty in the United States to make your argument?  Or been in a situation where your only hope for a full belly is free school lunch and food stamps or your only hope for bettering yourself is public schools?  There's a reason that liberals push for social services that so that all citizens have at least some hope of opportunity.

 

and as lafiel stated,.. conservatives would be more than happy to regulate things like definition of marriage to ensure only their very narrow view of what it means to be an "american" can have access to the protections marriage provides a family.

 

the war on drugs was and continues to be a tool for discrimination.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2016/03/top-adviser-richard-nixon-admitted-war-drugs-was-policy-tool-go-after-anti-war-proteste

 

the obvious flaw in conservative thought is that the world is fair and merit based outcomes is how the populace is rewarded or punished.  it's a nice ideal that i wish were true but it isn't.

The world is fair, it's just that confirmation bias exists to keep us all from seeing it that way and including me ... 

The world has no rule aside from physical ones, we only prefer a fixed view of what our idea of fair means instead of the default reference point ... 

It's not a flaw in conservative thought that the world is meritocratic, it's in their belief that the world needs to be meritocratic. Like it or not there needs to be tons of losers to support the winner but that doesn't mean it's necessarily right to offer social services to the former ... 



VGPolyglot on 16 December 2016
fatslob-:O said:
kitler53 said:

have you been born into extreem poverty in the United States to make your argument?  Or been in a situation where your only hope for a full belly is free school lunch and food stamps or your only hope for bettering yourself is public schools?  There's a reason that liberals push for social services that so that all citizens have at least some hope of opportunity.

 

and as lafiel stated,.. conservatives would be more than happy to regulate things like definition of marriage to ensure only their very narrow view of what it means to be an "american" can have access to the protections marriage provides a family.

 

the war on drugs was and continues to be a tool for discrimination.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2016/03/top-adviser-richard-nixon-admitted-war-drugs-was-policy-tool-go-after-anti-war-proteste

 

the obvious flaw in conservative thought is that the world is fair and merit based outcomes is how the populace is rewarded or punished.  it's a nice ideal that i wish were true but it isn't.

The world is fair, it's just that confirmation bias exists to keep us all from seeing it that way and including me ... 

The world has no rule aside from physical ones, we only prefer a fixed view of what our idea of fair means instead of the default reference point ... 

It's not a flaw in conservative thought that the world is meritocratic, it's in their belief that the world needs to be meritocratic. Like it or not there needs to be tons of losers to support the winner but that doesn't mean it's necessarily right to offer social services to the former ... 

Why? Especially since the winners and losers are generally decided at birth.



AsGryffynn on 16 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
fatslob-:O said:

The world is fair, it's just that confirmation bias exists to keep us all from seeing it that way and including me ... 

The world has no rule aside from physical ones, we only prefer a fixed view of what our idea of fair means instead of the default reference point ... 

It's not a flaw in conservative thought that the world is meritocratic, it's in their belief that the world needs to be meritocratic. Like it or not there needs to be tons of losers to support the winner but that doesn't mean it's necessarily right to offer social services to the former ... 

Why? Especially since the winners and losers are generally decided at birth.

Sarcasm now? It's too early to deploy the big guns... 



VGPolyglot on 16 December 2016
AsGryffynn said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why? Especially since the winners and losers are generally decided at birth.

Sarcasm now? It's too early to deploy the big guns... 

No, it was not sarcasm. If you're born into a rich family, you're much more likely to be rich, and if you're born into a poor family, you're much more likely to be poor.