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Machiavellian said:
d21lewis said:

Isn't that "The Giver"?

Hmm, haven't watch that movie but I guess I will check it out.  

Be warned, it's really slow and kind of boring. The only reason I saw it was because my daughter read the book. It's not bad, though. And it's really just implied but not the focus of the movie.



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manuel said:
GameAnalyser said:

already saw it. Damn impressed. There are two CGIs to look for.

Can't wait!!

11 more hours!

How was it?



Soundwave said:
Machiavellian said:

If it is then it's genuis.  Nothing like having all the other races look at the white male as evil including the white woman.  I really was only mildy interested in Rogue One but now you have given me something else to look for metaphorcally while I watch the movie.  Thanks, this may prove more entertaining then I thought.

The X-Men movies have more blue skinned people than people of any other visible minority, lol

Is this an agenda too? 

Well you have to blame the comics not the movie industry since Marvel did not change the characters from their orgin.  I guess it would be an agenda if Professor X was black or something like that.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes it is, that is a big factor. As I said, I'm fine with casts being somewhat adapted to the global, multiracial and multicultural audience so that everybody feels included (in most movies, but as I said earlier, not in movies where authenticity is important, like in historical epics or say a movie that takes place in a homogenous society like Japan). It's a balance. But if that would be the main the motive, then I'm fine with it. You must be sensitive about quotas.

For the fifth time: my claim is, and I'm not the only one, is that the cast of Star Wars is chosen in order to make a statement. It excludes white men on purpose. That's the basis for my whole complaint, but it's so fucking dishonest of you to completely ignore it. What does it cost you to say "Slimebeast, don't worry I get your point, but.."?

You can't demand that I declare a timeline for when minorities are allowed in such and such proportions in big movies, because that's not what my complaint was about. I am complaining that in the new Star Wars movie, it's obvious that the cast has been chosen with a multicultural brainwashing leftist agenda in mind, on purpose excluding white men from leading good guy roles. That's my complaint. I'm not proclaiming that I exactly know how casts should be universally decided for all eternity.

Do you think white people, asians and other disadvantaged races should be better represented in the NFL, MLB and NBA too because we feel sorry for them? The players in those leagues don't represent the American or global audience at all.

Colored people are allowed already. Don't put words in my mouth. I can't predict the future. Just don't quote them in too heavily, that's what I'm saying, because it will come naturally. Quotas create discrimination. When there's enough talented minority actors in the recruiting pool we will also see an increasing amount of minorities represented in the movies, I am sure of that.

Your style of argumentation really bothers me because you have a strong tendency to twist everything and make it sound bad. But I still think I won this discussion, my arguments are more convincing than yours.

1.) You are the one who seems to want a quota, the quota being there must be a white male lead or it's holding down the white man or some such. Is that not like the dictionary definition of a quota?

2.) Casting is only a statement when it involves minorities, right? So when there's a movie with an all-white/mostly white cast, that isn't a statement. It's only a statement if it's a colored person in a role that could be given to a white guy, then it's a statement/agenda. But if it's the opposite, then there's no agenda. Do I got that about right? 

3.) So basically you can't have a Star Wars film with a non-white lead, or at least heavy white male representation. Correct? Otherwise it isn't "Star Wars". 

4.) I'm sure the NBA executives would bend over backwards and kiss their own asses to have a new Larry Bird or Yao Ming to market. Such a player would be a marketing bonaza. They would love to have that. Problem is even white/asian fans don't want to see sub-standard athlete. 

Acting on the other hand is far more subjective. Is Megan Fox among the 20 greatest actresses in the world? Would it be impossible to imagine a scenario in which a Asian or black person could come in and read better than a Hayden Christensen or Mark Hamil? Is Tom Cruise better at his craft than probably 1000 others? No. 

Because unlike sports, which is a relaively specialized physical field, acting/emotion/being a "human being" can be done by quite frankly a fairly large range of people. You see all the time that a newbie actor or untrained kid is in a movie next to trained professionals and they are every bit as natural or even more natural. 

Good luck finding someone off the street with no training who can just play in the NBA or NFL. 

1. I never demanded that the lead actor (in singular) should be a white male or anything near that sort. Learn to read.

2. In Hollywood today I doubt they're making any movies with a full white cast for that reason, to make a statement against multiculturalism. But if they were, it would be just as bad as the Rogue One situation. So if you have an example where you believe the cast is all white because of a political agenda, please show me and we'll evaluate it.

3. No, I never said that. I even implied the opposite, that in the scenario in these movies about a distant future, it is very likely that mankind has become multicultural and the proportion of white people would be relatively low. If the creators would want to represent that future in order to make the movie feel more authentic I wouldn't have any problem with that. And like I said, that could very well be one of the actual reasons for the makeup of the cast in Rogue One, but it's unfortunately not the main reason. The main reason is a political agenda, and that's what I'm criticizing.



Razeak said:
Soundwave said:

Jeeezus, you need to get over yourself. Why should every movie be made to appease your politcal tastes, and quite frankly from the sounds of it racism (yeah I'm gonna call it what it is). 

Here's a novel idea, maybe the fact that China is becoming one of the largest markets for Hollywood movies, maybe the fact that in even in America the no.1 ethnic group that goes to watch movies at the theater is actually Hispanics. And still 90%+ of movies out of Hollywood are still mainly a white cast. So I would say to that, if anything Hollywood is still badly underrepresented relative to their current audience. 

And who are "we" exactly? Which movies have you ever written? I doubt very much you have any talent to do so and no one would want to watch anything you've made for longer than 2 minutes. 

People of other ethnicities do exist. That's not even "multiculturalism" that's just a basic fact of life, I'm sorry that seeing someone on screen of a different skin tone pains you so. Do you expect every film to also have actors that only have your hair color too? How about freckles? Are they allowed to have freckles if you don't? Do they need to be the exact same/similar height? Or can colored people be on screen, but they just can't have anyhting to say or there can only be a token one per picture? What fucking century are you living in? 

 Right leaning white person checking in. I think slimebeast made some revealing statements about himself. Those statements imply a bias toward minorities and some very overt anti-Semitic beliefs. You also appear to imply that non-whites have to prove their worth to be cast in a role. Why? If they can act then I don't see an issue. If the production specifically excluded whites I could agree, but we don't know that. I do agree the writers are possibly painting white people as evil considering the current environment and some of the crew tweets. I just know better so I don't care. The Empire was always a supremacist organization in my eyes anyways. Look at how the prison officer regarded Chewbacca and the old EU had a lot of material that reflected that. 

Yeah, just go knife me in the back, mr "right white person". And then leaning on my transgressions seeking legitimacy so that you can present your opinion. So cheap. I hope you realize how pathetic that is.

But anyway, I don't like what you said about me, because you claim that I made some "revealing statements that imply some very overt anti-Semitic beliefs".

"Very overt anti-Semitic beliefs"?!

Show me how I did that before spouting such accusations. Show me where I did that.



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Slimebeast said:

1. I never demanded that the lead actor (in singular) should be a white male or anything near that sort. Learn to read.

2. In Hollywood today I doubt they're making any movies with a full white cast for that reason, to make a statement against multiculturalism. But if they were, it would be just as bad as the Rogue One situation. So if you have an example where you believe the cast is all white because of a political agenda, please show me and we'll evaluate it.

3. No, I never said that. I even implied the opposite, that in the scenario in these movies about a distant future, it is very likely that mankind has become multicultural and the proportion of white people would be relatively low. If the creators would want to represent that future in order to make the movie feel more authentic I wouldn't have any problem with that. And like I said, that could very well be one of the actual reasons for the makeup of the cast in Rogue One, but it's unfortunately not the main reason. The main reason is a political agenda, and that's what I'm criticizing.

Hollywood is moved by money and movie and ticket sales more than I believe where you are going.  In other words the more represetnive of different races you have in a movie the better your ticket sales especially since these movies get played around the world.  I think you are missing the obvious answer for a more convoluted one.



Machiavellian said:
Slimebeast said:

1. I never demanded that the lead actor (in singular) should be a white male or anything near that sort. Learn to read.

2. In Hollywood today I doubt they're making any movies with a full white cast for that reason, to make a statement against multiculturalism. But if they were, it would be just as bad as the Rogue One situation. So if you have an example where you believe the cast is all white because of a political agenda, please show me and we'll evaluate it.

3. No, I never said that. I even implied the opposite, that in the scenario in these movies about a distant future, it is very likely that mankind has become multicultural and the proportion of white people would be relatively low. If the creators would want to represent that future in order to make the movie feel more authentic I wouldn't have any problem with that. And like I said, that could very well be one of the actual reasons for the makeup of the cast in Rogue One, but it's unfortunately not the main reason. The main reason is a political agenda, and that's what I'm criticizing.

Hollywood is moved by money and movie and ticket sales more than I believe where you are going.  In other words the more represetnive of different races you have in a movie the better your ticket sales especially since these movies get played around the world.  I think you are missing the obvious answer for a more convoluted one.

I wish that was the full motive, but I think it is very naive to assume just that.



Having seen the film Slimebeast was right to be concerned. There are white men in the film but they're clearly humilated in the film. Only about 60% of the Rebels are white and even worse some of them are women, the leader is even a woman which is clearly pure fantasy. Aside from the 10 X-Wing pilots ... and a few leaders of the Rebellion there's barely any white men in the film at all. At one point the one black woman in the movie even speaks in the film which is ... like ... uh "I thought this supposed to be Star Wars?".

Sometimes the movie even has like three or four colored folk in one shot, it's really humiliating. Also the brown guy in the film has a British accent which is insulting. It's like it's bad enough you stole the role from a talented white male actor, but you have to steal an English accent too? Maybe he had the accent anyway, but I can't help but think this was part of the agenda. I was deeply uncomfortable for all the white men in the audience, sure they were quiet watching the film but I could tell they were distressed, a few eating (thankfully white) popcorn to hide their shame. Also they continue to force Darth Vader, a proud white man, to wear a *black* suit, which really says a lot. What? Am I to believe there's no ivory suit for him to wear? Not even for a day?

;)

/just poking some fun/don't take seriously.



^ lmao xD



GameAnalyser said:
manuel said:

Can't wait!!

11 more hours!

How was it?

Personally, I liked it a lot.

Vader kicking ass was awesome!



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