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Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Well I would venture a guess and say there's no reason for you to feel shame as I doubt you are a doctor in the first place. Pro-tip: using phrasing like: "I did the internship or whatever" is kind of a tip off that's you're not a medical genius. 

So when it is OK for a non-white person to be in Star Wars in your opinion? Only as a secondary character? And we can't have more than one of them too, right? People of minority are only allowed to be in films about their specific culture? Why is that? Because they should know their place?

Did it ever occur to you that a growing number of the audience for these films aren't white people? You understand that China is a large driver for the box office right? You understand that Latinos are the making up more and more of domestic box office right? 

Knowing about the US system of training doctors isn't obligatory here in Sweden. I can't help that I don't know what "AT-tjänstgöring" is called in the US. I have vaguely heard about a term called "intern" or "internship" so I assumed that was it (from foreign med students who were visiting us in the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm).

You are manipulative. Why do you ask it like that, "when is it OK for a non-white person to be in SW"? As if I am against minorities in a cast. That's manipulation and unecessary rethorics. Not cool.

Im protesting against the fact that the cast is chosen due to a deliberate agenda, evident from the fact that the whole lead cast is non-white male. Only the bad guys are white male.

Nobody can be so stupid that they don't see this trend in Hollywood.

If the cast was chosen to reflect the composition of the increasing Chinese market or the global movie audience, that would have been a different discussion. I still wouldn't like it, but that's not the main driver here, I assure you.

You are one who brought it up, lol, if you don't like the question then maybe you are the one that needs to ask himself why you are bringing this up. It's a fair question to ask on the basis of your posts and posting history. 

Clearly you believe one race is better than others and should have a status quo on that basis because of the past. Sorry if someone calling you out on that offends you so. 

The "main" protagonist in every Star Wars film are white .... Anakin, Luke, Rey, even in this film Jyn Erso, but that's not enough for you I guess. Is that an agenda? Why is it only an agenda when it concerns people of different ethnicities? 



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GameAnalyser said:
manuel said:
Made my reservation on Tuesday. Got the center seat at the local IMAX. Can't wait for Friday!

already saw it. Damn impressed. There are two CGIs to look for.

I haven't seen it yet, but is one of them Tarkin?



Mr.GameCrazy said:
GameAnalyser said:

already saw it. Damn impressed. There are two CGIs to look for.

I haven't seen it yet, but is one of them Tarkin?

You guys might want to make a seperate thread if you're going to start posting spoilers. Some of us still won't be able to see the film until tonight or tomorrow. 



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Knowing about the US system of training doctors isn't obligatory here in Sweden. I can't help that I don't know what "AT-tjänstgöring" is called in the US. I have vaguely heard about a term called "intern" or "internship" so I assumed that was it (from foreign med students who were visiting us in the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm).

You are manipulative. Why do you ask it like that, "when is it OK for a non-white person to be in SW"? As if I am against minorities in a cast. That's manipulation and unecessary rethorics. Not cool.

Im protesting against the fact that the cast is chosen due to a deliberate agenda, evident from the fact that the whole lead cast is non-white male. Only the bad guys are white male.

Nobody can be so stupid that they don't see this trend in Hollywood.

If the cast was chosen to reflect the composition of the increasing Chinese market or the global movie audience, that would have been a different discussion. I still wouldn't like it, but that's not the main driver here, I assure you.

You are one who brought it up, lol, if you don't like the question then maybe you are the one that needs to ask himself why you are bringing this up. It's a fair question to ask on the basis of your posts and posting history. 

Clearly you believe one race is better than others and should have a status quo on that basis because of the past. Sorry if someone calling you out on that offends you so. 

The "main" protagonist in every Star Wars film are white .... Anakin, Luke, Rey, even in this film Jyn Erso, but that's not enough for you I guess. 

Are you just playing with me and teasing or you don't really understand my point? Am I so bad at explaining my views?

I doubt it. I think most readers understand (I especially hope our minority members don't misunderstand).

I have no problem with a multicultural and multisexual cast in Star Wars if it comes naturally. Most talent in Hollywood is still white, and you could decrease that proportion a bit in order to reflect the futuristic vision of humanity in space like it's depicted in Star Wars, and also adjust the cast to the global audience a bit, that's perfectly fine, but if you also use talent as a recruitment basis there's inevitably going to be a bunch of white actors too in lead roles in a big movie like Star Wars. Hollywood is still predominalty white, so let the movies be prominantly white.

I don't like that this movie on purpose excludes white men from the cool roles and only puts white men in evil roles. How can I spell it out for you? How can you think that's right? To make up for past transgressions?!

Mankind will gradually, slowly change and become increasingly multicultural. I don't have a problem with that! But just don't force it. And do not delibareltly hold down white people out of envy, that's what I am against.

There's black groups in the US monitoring the number of minority casting in media and all hell would break lose if this Star Wars was entirely white, I guarantee you.

History is irrelevant to my argument. I'm in the present and looking in the future, and I am worried. Historically, movies have had an extremely high proportion of white actors. I'm not saying I want to turn back the clock and go back to those days. That would be unfair.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

You are one who brought it up, lol, if you don't like the question then maybe you are the one that needs to ask himself why you are bringing this up. It's a fair question to ask on the basis of your posts and posting history. 

Clearly you believe one race is better than others and should have a status quo on that basis because of the past. Sorry if someone calling you out on that offends you so. 

The "main" protagonist in every Star Wars film are white .... Anakin, Luke, Rey, even in this film Jyn Erso, but that's not enough for you I guess. 

Are you just playing with me and teasing or you don't really understand my point? Am I so bad at explaining my views?

I doubt it. I think most readers understand (I especially hope our minority members don't misunderstand).

I have no problem with a multicultural and multisexual cast in Star Wars if it comes naturally. Most talent in Hollywood is still white, and you could decrease that proportion a bit in order to reflect the futuristic vision of humanity in space like it's depicted in Star Wars, and also adjust the cast to the global audience a bit, that's perfectly fine, but if you also use talent as a recruitment basis there's inevitably going to be a bunch of white actors too in lead roles in a big movie like Star Wars. Hollywood is still predominalty white, so let the movies be prominantly white.

I don't like that this movie on purpose excludes white men. How can I spell it out for you?

Mankind will gradually, slowly change and become increasingly multicultural. I don't have a problem with that! But just don't force it. And do not delibareltly hold down white people out of envy, that's what I am against.

There's black groups in the US monitoring the number of minority casting in media and all hell would break lose if this Star Wars was entirely white, I guarantee you.

History is irrelevant to my argument. I'm in the present and looking in the future, and I am worried. Historically, movies have had an extremely high proportion of white actors. I'm not saying I want to turn back the clock and go back to those days. That would be unfair.


Is it not a "natural evolution" of films to have more ethnicities included when a higher proportion of the movie ticket buying audience is of varying ethnicities? 

When exactly are more colored people allowed in Hollywood films in a non-token sense then by your estimation? 10 years from now? 20 years from now? How does that happen "naturally" in a way that doesn't offend your sensibilities of needing a majority white cast?

I'm genuinely curious. 



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Slimebeast said:

Im protesting against the fact that the cast is chosen due to a deliberate agenda, evident from the fact that the whole lead cast is non-white male. Only the bad guys are white male.

Nobody can be so stupid that they don't see this trend in Hollywood.

Actually Soundwave is absolutely right. There was no reason for that comment of yours and your assumptions that there is an agenda here only shows your bias. It's really sad. As if the existence of a Black or gay person needs to make perfect sense or else it's an agenda. Give me a break.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Are you just playing with me and teasing or you don't really understand my point? Am I so bad at explaining my views?

I doubt it. I think most readers understand (I especially hope our minority members don't misunderstand).

I have no problem with a multicultural and multisexual cast in Star Wars if it comes naturally. Most talent in Hollywood is still white, and you could decrease that proportion a bit in order to reflect the futuristic vision of humanity in space like it's depicted in Star Wars, and also adjust the cast to the global audience a bit, that's perfectly fine, but if you also use talent as a recruitment basis there's inevitably going to be a bunch of white actors too in lead roles in a big movie like Star Wars. Hollywood is still predominalty white, so let the movies be prominantly white.

I don't like that this movie on purpose excludes white men. How can I spell it out for you?

Mankind will gradually, slowly change and become increasingly multicultural. I don't have a problem with that! But just don't force it. And do not delibareltly hold down white people out of envy, that's what I am against.

There's black groups in the US monitoring the number of minority casting in media and all hell would break lose if this Star Wars was entirely white, I guarantee you.

History is irrelevant to my argument. I'm in the present and looking in the future, and I am worried. Historically, movies have had an extremely high proportion of white actors. I'm not saying I want to turn back the clock and go back to those days. That would be unfair.


Is it not a "natural evolution" of films to have more ethnicities included when a higher proportion of the movie ticket buying audience is of varying ethnicities? 

When exactly are more colored people allowed in Hollywood films then by your estimation? 10 years from now? 20 years from now? How does that happen "naturally" in a way that doesn't offend your sensibilities of needing a majority white cast?

I'm genuinely curious. 

Yes it is, that is a big factor. As I said, I'm fine with casts being somewhat adapted to the global, multiracial and multicultural audience so that everybody feels included (in most movies, but as I said earlier, not in movies where authenticity is important, like in historical epics or say a movie that takes place in a homogenous society like Japan). It's a balance. But if that would be the main the motive, then I'm fine with it. You must be sensitive about quotas.

For the fifth time: my claim is, and I'm not the only one, is that the cast of Star Wars is chosen in order to make a statement. It excludes white men on purpose. That's the basis for my whole complaint, but it's so fucking dishonest of you to completely ignore it. What does it cost you to say "Slimebeast, don't worry I get your point, but.."?

You can't demand that I declare a timeline for when minorities are allowed in such and such proportions in big movies, because that's not what my complaint was about. I am complaining that in the new Star Wars movie, it's obvious that the cast has been chosen with a multicultural brainwashing leftist agenda in mind, on purpose excluding white men from leading good guy roles. That's my complaint. I'm not proclaiming that I exactly know how casts should be universally decided for all eternity.

Do you think white people, asians and other disadvantaged races should be better represented in the NFL, MLB and NBA too because we feel sorry for them? The players in those leagues don't represent the American or global audience at all.

Colored people are allowed already. Don't put words in my mouth. I can't predict the future. Just don't quote them in too heavily, that's what I'm saying, because it will come naturally. Quotas create discrimination. When there's enough talented minority actors in the recruiting pool we will also see an increasing amount of minorities represented in the movies, I am sure of that.

Your style of argumentation really bothers me because you have a strong tendency to twist everything and make it sound bad. But I still think I won this discussion, my arguments are more convincing than yours.



naruball said:
Slimebeast said:

Im protesting against the fact that the cast is chosen due to a deliberate agenda, evident from the fact that the whole lead cast is non-white male. Only the bad guys are white male.

Nobody can be so stupid that they don't see this trend in Hollywood.

Actually Soundwave is absolutely right. There was no reason for that comment of yours and your assumptions that there is an agenda here only shows your bias. It's really sad. As if the existence of a Black or gay person needs to make perfect sense or else it's an agenda. Give me a break.

Stop being ridiculous.

I presented my argument in a very detailed and sophisticated way. I have proved my case.

Look at the promo pics for SW: Rogue one. Out of 7 or so lead characters, there's 0 white male. But the 8th guy is a white man, just happens to be the evil character. That's not an accident. It's an agenda.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:


Is it not a "natural evolution" of films to have more ethnicities included when a higher proportion of the movie ticket buying audience is of varying ethnicities? 

When exactly are more colored people allowed in Hollywood films then by your estimation? 10 years from now? 20 years from now? How does that happen "naturally" in a way that doesn't offend your sensibilities of needing a majority white cast?

I'm genuinely curious. 

Yes it is, that is a big factor. As I said, I'm fine with casts being somewhat adapted to the global, multiracial and multicultural audience so that everybody feels included (in most movies, but as I said earlier, not in movies where authenticity is important, like in historical epics or say a movie that takes place in a homogenous society like Japan). It's a balance. But if that would be the main the motive, then I'm fine with it. You must be sensitive about quotas.

For the fifth time: my claim is, and I'm not the only one, is that the cast of Star Wars is chosen in order to make a statement. It excludes white men on purpose. That's the basis for my whole complaint, but it's so fucking dishonest of you to completely ignore it. What does it cost you to say "Slimebeast, don't worry I get your point, but.."?

You can't demand that I declare a timeline for when minorities are allowed in such and such proportions in big movies, because that's not what my complaint was about. I am complaining that in the new Star Wars movie, it's obvious that the cast has been chosen with a multicultural brainwashing leftist agenda in mind, on purpose excluding white men from leading good guy roles. That's my complaint. I'm not proclaiming that I exactly know how casts should be universally decided for all eternity.

Do you think white people, asians and other disadvantaged races should be better represented in the NFL, MLB and NBA too because we feel sorry for them? The players in those leagues don't represent the American or global audience at all.

Colored people are allowed already. Don't put words in my mouth. I can't predict the future. Just don't quote them in too heavily, that's what I'm saying, because it will come naturally. Quotas create discrimination. When there's enough talented minority actors in the recruiting pool we will also see an increasing amount of minorities represented in the movies, I am sure of that.

Your style of argumentation really bothers me because you have a strong tendency to twist everything and make it sound bad. But I still think I won this discussion, my arguments are more convincing than yours.

1.) You are the one who seems to want a quota, the quota being there must be a white male lead or it's holding down the white man or some such. Is that not like the dictionary definition of a quota?

2.) Casting is only a statement when it involves minorities, right? So when there's a movie with an all-white/mostly white cast, that isn't a statement. It's only a statement if it's a colored person in a role that could be given to a white guy, then it's a statement/agenda. But if it's the opposite, then there's no agenda. Do I got that about right? 

3.) So basically you can't have a Star Wars film with a non-white lead, or at least heavy white male representation. Correct? Otherwise it isn't "Star Wars". 

4.) I'm sure the NBA executives would bend over backwards and kiss their own asses to have a new Larry Bird or Yao Ming to market. Such a player would be a marketing bonaza. They would love to have that. Problem is even white/asian fans don't want to see sub-standard athlete. 

Acting on the other hand is far more subjective. Is Megan Fox among the 20 greatest actresses in the world? Would it be impossible to imagine a scenario in which a Asian or black person could come in and read better than a Hayden Christensen or Mark Hamil? Is Tom Cruise better at his craft than probably 1000 others? No. 

Because unlike sports, which is a relaively specialized physical field, acting/emotion/being a "human being" can be done by quite frankly a fairly large range of people. You see all the time that a newbie actor or untrained kid is in a movie next to trained professionals and they are every bit as natural or even more natural. 

Good luck finding someone off the street with no training who can just play in the NBA or NFL.