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Chazore said:
Hapuc12 said:

Oh i didn't say anything about Ark i just told him that i think it's pointless he posted that link if it didn't had anything to do with ark.

He should have brought ark Pc vs Ps4 pro Optimization,not 5 games that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand he just wanted to say that build is better even though 3 games were not optimized they don't even have a patch for ps4pro and 2 that have a patch run and look better on pro then that build.

That's the thing i told him about the video it is pointless.

Even then at the end of the day, Ark is a hot mess and isn't properley optimized for any platform at the moment, the game isn't even fully complete yet.

Don't forget that some devs out theere aren't required by law to patch for the Pro, but on PC, theyd efinitely need to make sure that their game actually runs on the specs listed and other cards out there. if the game runs on the base PS4, it runs on the PS4.

I don't think the video is completely pointless, half of what it contains shows differences in that build compared to the uniform build of the PS4.

 

I'm not too sure about the idea of not being able to side by side it until one sides is patched, we may as well do this wioth PC as well if that were the case, like with say Arkham Knight, that game on PC release ran like crap, but after a year it's changed, but no one today is going to care to do side by side benchmarks for it.

Of course Ark is a hot mess but i don't worry to much about optimization when games like Gta 5 and Last of Us ran on Ps3 without lag i'm pretty sure it's all about how the game is optimized.

Of course they aren't required but i just find it pointless to put games that aren't patched for Pro and compare them Nothing else.

 



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

If you are tired of them you may decide to not participate and spare yourself and others.

Already gave the other suggestion out before, of simply not making said threads to begin with and spare us all.

Since you aren't a mod and this isn't against the rules people may or may not take your advice and that could envolve several dozen people. On the other side you not entering the thread or nor making the type of posts you are doing would depend only on you, so which is the easiest one for you to control? Yes, I guess so, but you preffer others to stop posting than you to stop fightning, yet you complain of how these threads end up.

Perhaps if you weren't contributing to end the threads on the sore side as you complained they wouldn't end like that.

walsufnir said:
DonFerrari said:

 

 

And wasn't the double and single precision related to 32bit or 16bit integers?

No. That's why it's called floats, as in IEEE754. The representation is in a 16 or 32 bit "value" but an integer is by definition a value with no decimal point, rather than a representation of a "real" number (float).

I know what an integer is =p . But I was reasonably sure there were talks about single precision being calculated on 16bits integer and double being on 32 bit... and in the end any fraction that isn't irational can be converted on an integer with only the deslocation of the coma.



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Hapuc12 said:

Of course Ark is a hot mess but i don't worry to much about optimization when games like Gta 5 and Last of Us ran on Ps3 without lag i'm pretty sure it's all about how the game is optimized.

Of course they aren't required but i just find it pointless to put games that aren't patched for Pro and compare them Nothing else.

 

I'd be worried for the game not being optimized for any platform tbh. 

I find it pointless when the same is done for PC when it's not been patched proper either.

 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Chazore said:

Already gave the other suggestion out before, of simply not making said threads to begin with and spare us all.

Dont enter them, why attack the OP when he just posted a interview about some dev opinion? If people is all that outraged why not go to www.playark.com/

and complain there in their forums.

I'm not "attacking" the OP, I was pointing out like others already have done, on why the OP keeps making said threads. People complain on the Steam forums, where the devs actually talk to their userbase as well.



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vivster said:
He says 1080p at 30fps on PS4 Pro is a really high benchmark. That's what he says. Indeed he just said that. Said he did that.

He also says PRo = 900$ PC RIG. So they will make 1080p60fps PRO version when the PRO's price will drop to 900$.



Pemalite said:
Trunkin said:
Wtf is with that PS4Pro performance? Other games are running at 1800p and arc can only reach 1080!?

Also, he's wrong about that $900 PC. I could buy a gtx 1060 right now for $250 and the total cost of my rig would barely exceed $900, and that's including the $200 I spent on the gtx960 that I currently have.

I can drop a new GPU into my "Last Generation" PC and smash the PS4 Pro into next week for $350 AUD or less. (PS4 pro is $550-$600 AUD).
And still get cheaper games, free online. - And that's Australia, where nothing is cheap. Not even beer.

False comparisons because that is not what if being represented in this quote.  A PC from stratch with the power of the Pro can easily set you back 900.  This is a fact. Sure you can find deals but if you are getting quality parts, yeah easy.  A decent motherboard, a 1TB HDD, a decent Gold standard power supply and a decent midsized tower will get you more than half way there.  Add memory and your 4.2 TF GPU and you will get to $900 no problem.  I built a PC a two years ago for about that price and it isn't nearly as powerful (GPU wise) as the Pro although it is more powerful than the PS4.



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DonFerrari said:

Since you aren't a mod and this isn't against the rules people may or may not take your advice and that could envolve several dozen people. On the other side you not entering the thread or nor making the type of posts you are doing would depend only on you, so which is the easiest one for you to control? Yes, I guess so, but you preffer others to stop posting than you to stop fightning, yet you complain of how these threads end up.

Perhaps if you weren't contributing to end the threads on the sore side as you complained they wouldn't end like that.

Simply not making a thread to get a rise out of people is a much better solution than telling others to "back fof if they don't like it". YOu know why things can cause a negtaive reaction from others, even yoruself and I know you are a human being who would argue against something that gave you a negative reaction, not everyone is a machine that goes "I'kll just back off, for eevryone's sake, including my own", really not everyone does that 100% of the time, thus the other solution is just as viable.

I'm not the only one pointing out where these kind of threads go, but hey it's easier at the end of the day to make those people out to be far worse than those actually causing negative reactions in the first place. That seems to be the general rule with a few on here.

The sore side?, what?.



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This is all nonsense because the Pro isn't $900. Its only $399.

So the question is whether you can build a comparable PC with $400.

Good luck with that.

Also, Good luck building a PC at all for the current $250 PS4 price.



DonFerrari said:
Chazore said:

Already gave the other suggestion out before, of simply not making said threads to begin with and spare us all.

Since you aren't a mod and this isn't against the rules people may or may not take your advice and that could envolve several dozen people. On the other side you not entering the thread or nor making the type of posts you are doing would depend only on you, so which is the easiest one for you to control? Yes, I guess so, but you preffer others to stop posting than you to stop fightning, yet you complain of how these threads end up.

Perhaps if you weren't contributing to end the threads on the sore side as you complained they wouldn't end like that.

walsufnir said:

No. That's why it's called floats, as in IEEE754. The representation is in a 16 or 32 bit "value" but an integer is by definition a value with no decimal point, rather than a representation of a "real" number (float).

I know what an integer is =p . But I was reasonably sure there were talks about single precision being calculated on 16bits integer and double being on 32 bit... and in the end any fraction that isn't irational can be converted on an integer with only the deslocation of the coma.

Apparently not. An integer is not a float. Both take up the same amount of bits, though ( a 32-bit integer takes the same amount of "space" like a normal float, single precision: 32 bit).



I don't even play games on PC at 30FPS... My monitor supports up to 144FPS...  Which... I cannot reach anyway, but one day soon, I will.  Waiting for the GTX 1080's successor, or something better than it that can do DX12 without hiccups.



Chazore said:
Hapuc12 said:

Of course Ark is a hot mess but i don't worry to much about optimization when games like Gta 5 and Last of Us ran on Ps3 without lag i'm pretty sure it's all about how the game is optimized.

Of course they aren't required but i just find it pointless to put games that aren't patched for Pro and compare them Nothing else.

 

I'd be worried for the game not being optimized for any platform tbh. 

I find it pointless when the same is done for PC when it's not been patched proper either.

 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Dont enter them, why attack the OP when he just posted a interview about some dev opinion? If people is all that outraged why not go to www.playark.com/

and complain there in their forums.

I'm not "attacking" the OP, I was pointing out like others already have done, on why the OP keeps making said threads. People complain on the Steam forums, where the devs actually talk to their userbase as well.

What you done is the very definition of attacking the OP.

Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Since you aren't a mod and this isn't against the rules people may or may not take your advice and that could envolve several dozen people. On the other side you not entering the thread or nor making the type of posts you are doing would depend only on you, so which is the easiest one for you to control? Yes, I guess so, but you preffer others to stop posting than you to stop fightning, yet you complain of how these threads end up.

Perhaps if you weren't contributing to end the threads on the sore side as you complained they wouldn't end like that.

Simply not making a thread to get a rise out of people is a much better solution than telling others to "back fof if they don't like it". YOu know why things can cause a negtaive reaction from others, even yoruself and I know you are a human being who would argue against something that gave you a negative reaction, not everyone is a machine that goes "I'kll just back off, for eevryone's sake, including my own", really not everyone does that 100% of the time, thus the other solution is just as viable.

I'm not the only one pointing out where these kind of threads go, but hey it's easier at the end of the day to make those people out to be far worse than those actually causing negative reactions in the first place. That seems to be the general rule with a few on here.

The sore side?, what?.

If you think he is flaming or trolling report him and let the mods do their job. Attacking the OP and saying he is trolling is much more against the forum rules than anything you are saying he is doing.

And you don't need to be a machine. If you see a topic on which you know will take negative feelings from you, you just ignore it or report that is the mature thing to do not the robotic one. There are dozen of PC, Switch and Xbox thread that by the title I know I totally disagree and there were plenty of similarly debunked ones in the past, so I either look for another thread to post or enter that, report it and mention that it was already discussed in the recent past. And you may deny, but you are very frequent on Sony threads and usually being very negative (and again I refer to mod convo that in the forum it's more acceptable "irrational positivism" than "rational negativism" because one of them goes towards trolling and making the forum environment worse).

You are the main one, don't try to hide yourself on the coletivism.

Ending negative = in a sore note = in a sore side. My english may be bad, but I don't think that was impossible to understand.

walsufnir said:
DonFerrari said:

Since you aren't a mod and this isn't against the rules people may or may not take your advice and that could envolve several dozen people. On the other side you not entering the thread or nor making the type of posts you are doing would depend only on you, so which is the easiest one for you to control? Yes, I guess so, but you preffer others to stop posting than you to stop fightning, yet you complain of how these threads end up.

Perhaps if you weren't contributing to end the threads on the sore side as you complained they wouldn't end like that.

I know what an integer is =p . But I was reasonably sure there were talks about single precision being calculated on 16bits integer and double being on 32 bit... and in the end any fraction that isn't irational can be converted on an integer with only the deslocation of the coma.

Apparently not. An integer is not a float. Both take up the same amount of bits, though ( a 32-bit integer takes the same amount of "space" like a normal float, single precision: 32 bit).

I didn't say an integer is a float. What I said is that mathematically and rational number may be turned into an integer by simply moving the comma, not that computacionally they mean the same.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."