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Forums - Sales Discussion - 360 to hit 2m in UK next week (Chart-Track)

MikeB said:
@ TheBigFatJ

What's it like to spend so much time on online forums pretending you know how everything works?


What makes you say that? I have been criticized for asking too many difficult questions in the past in efforts to better understand how VGChartz operates. So I don't claim I know this at all, the more info on this the better.

MikeB - you criticize ioi's numbers every time an official number is released. I, and probably everyone else on this site, don't really understand what you want from this site. It just seems that it never really matters how close IOI's numbers are to other "estimated" numbers, you'll be right there criticizing.



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Typically we're not adjusting to other trackers' numbers until we get other independent corroboration from the manufacturer reports, since we were burned by that several times last year. We take note of every bit of data out here, coming in here and whining about how the numbers are wrong and we should change them to make your pet system look better is not helpful (and don't claim this isn't what you're doing, we only *ever* see Sony fans in here saying that PS3 should be higher or 360/Wii should be lower).



"Sony has a long way to go to overtake it in the UK."

LOL they pretty much have accepted defeat already, its just a matter of time in MS own words till Sony kicks their ass.



@ Trolls

Jesus christ what's wrong with you people, I always admitted I am following mainly PS3 vs 360 sales (everyone has his or hers own reasons to track the data, and my reason isn't a weird one), I *only* criticize when the data is way off and the UK data was way way off for the PS3 just before the 1 million announcement (hundreds of thousands). Over 130K overtracking for the 360 after a lot of chart track data coming out and some major corrections isn't IMO very accurate.

I just hope accuracy improves.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Mars said:
"Sony has a long way to go to overtake it in the UK."

LOL they pretty much have accepted defeat already, its just a matter of time in MS own words till Sony kicks their ass.

To be fair that comment was from Dorian Bloch from Chart-Track, Microsoft haven't commented yet. It probably is just a matter of time until PS3 overtakes 360 in UK, but it's going to be a while, and probably not this year.



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@ ioi

The point does stand that, like Diomedes, your only criticism every single time is that PS3 is "too low" and 360 "too high". You're never around when our PS3 figures are higher than that of another source or Xbox360 figures lower. You obviously have an agenda and it is a little tiresome.


When was the PS3 significantly overtracked or the 360 significanty undertracked compared to the NPD or Chart Track? Japanese figures are mostly posted after Famitsu's figures, so they don't differ too much. Europe and World data is probably off the most because of tracking difficulties (and for many regions a lack of information), whenever I find relevant data I share it here on VGChartz (like for instance quotes with regard to Australia's PS3/Bravia sales)

Note I don't find it a problem if all figures are let's say up to 25% overtracked or undertracked for a week or month, the sales trends and ratios remain roughly the same. It's when one platform is significantly overtracked and the other undertracked, this is when the value of comparitive data becomes less useful (maybe even counter-productive, wrong conclusions).

Believe me, I would state the same if it's the other way around, but of course if the PS3 would be overtracked for once compared to the 360, this does even out things a little. It's normal for undertracking and overtracking to alternate (if on week you overtrack a platform by 25% and the next week undertrack by about 25%, the end result will probably be pretty close), but constant trends of over- and/or undertracking does raise questions on why this is the case.

I do provide sources and write my own analysis's every now and then, you can take them into account or ignore it (they are just my perspectives based on available data and IMO informed speculations). So far when I thought some data was clearly off I shared my perspectives and usually turned out to be correct, like with regard to comparitive worldwide christmas 2007 sales and 2008 comparitive sales so far. I also shared my perspectives on future sales, I always try to state plenty of reasons and factors, you can write me off as a fanboy or take the comments seriously. It's your choice. I don't have any malicious intends and what I write I honestly believe.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

MikeB said:
@ Trolls

Jesus christ what's wrong with you people, I always admitted I am following mainly PS3 vs 360 sales (everyone has his or hers own reasons to track the data, and my reason isn't a weird one), I *only* criticize when the data is way off and the UK data was way way off for the PS3 just before the 1 million announcement (hundreds of thousands). Over 130K overtracking for the 360 after a lot of chart track data coming out and some major corrections isn't IMO very accurate.

I just hope accuracy improves.

@MikeB

Your problem is that your dillusional and that you'll totally ignore facts that contradict your views

http://vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=886

Feb 2008 - Sony had announced they hit 1 million sold. You and your fellow trolls couldn't tell the difference between shipped and sold, and cried foul for days saying the PS3 was undertracked by 150,000 (that's not "hundreds of thousands"),

Mar 2008 - Official numbers finally came out from Chart Track, and we all saw that ioi's numbers were right, and that most PS3 fanboys are brainless zombies who believe everything Sony PR spews..

 

Here are some tips for next time... 

Tip #1 - Don't argue/critize with numbers that come from PR departments

Tip #2 -  Don't critize numbers that are within 7% (or even anything less then 14%)



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ioi said:
Well you have gone and put it again there. The problem with your stance is that our figures for PS3 are not always lower than others and for 360 not always higher. It does alternate, as is the nature of random sampling differences and so on.

It is your underlying belief that there is some sort of systematic and intentional bias in our data that bothers me. I couldn't care less which console is ahead of another, what we do is try to report information that is accurate, unbiased and neutral, based on the raw information that we collect.

Not bias that's putting words into my mouth. I honestly stated in the past on other forums that I believed VGChartz corrects the data and tries to learn from any wrong data.

I tried to find some past comments but it's difficult in those huge discussions threads I posted to. I did find this comment from me: "Sony only releases "shipped" data, as it's difficult to accurately track "sold". I believe http://vgcharts.org/ is the best place to track this sort of information."

On some occasions VGChartz has been heavily criticized for being off too much, I defended the website on several occasions by stating that I believed the managers will adjust their figures when better figures are available and learn from mistakes and find ways to improve the data. I am not your enemy ioi.

There may be other reasons than bias, IMO it's your job to indentify the reasons, I and others don't have enough info with regard to your methods. Maybe some shop info you use sell more 360 than PS3s, for instance due to marketing efforts or special deals. If the problems are consistent and persistent you can take this into account and adapt data accordingly to better represent the full market data.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

@ gebx

Why troll? The MCV report adjusted their wrtings (from "is about to hit" to something like " it hit" and wrote about Chart Track confirmation (a retail sales tracker), they clearly stated it hit 1 million sales and this was confirmed by Chart Track. The wording was a mistake by the author.

In any case that would be a minor issue, nothing compared to the figure VGChartz was off just prior to the first 1 million announcement, shortly (2 weeks) before the announcement you link to.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

@ ioi

Our PS3 figures for the UK are as "inflated" with respect to Chart Track as our 360 figures. One console is not being favoured over another.


Incorrect PS3 data doesn't help neither, if you think the figures are inflated IMO adjust and do similar for other platforms (unless you can provide good reasoning why your data is better). I don't have the full current Chart Track data for the PS3, I just know the 360 is currently overtracked by about 130K. But don't you agree the PS3 data was off way too much just before the first 1 million announcement? IMO it was really a huge correction. Then we had VGChartz reporting the 360 outselling the PS3 for each and every single week for the UK, then we have Chart Track claiming the opposite. All this combined made me come to the conclusion UK tracking hasn't been very accurate in recent months.

IMO christmas NPD, January and February 2008 initial reports combined were way off. Of course the christmas figures were corrected. For VGChartz I hope March 2008 NPD figures will show similar trends as this website, of course personally I hope the PS3 considerably outsold the 360 (as I expect to be the case), but that wouldn't help this website which should try to get as close as possible to professional trackers, try to predict Chart Track, NPD, GfK and Media Create data reports.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales