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The latest conspiracy theory is that the CIA doesn't know what its talking about.

.However, other members of the government aren't so caviler about dismissing what they have to say. Only if Trump is your God really is it okay for your top intelligence agency to be telling you that something is wrong, and you just laugh it off. Sometime I think his supporters don't really like America at all. But anyway, The Senate majority leader has ordered an investigation stating that 'The Russians are not our friends'. They understand that if they wanted to sway the election they did it to advantage themselves over the US.

Basically, it looks like people are finally realizing that you can't just sit around and wait for the house to burn down. Not even about Trump as much as its about making sure we actually do what we need to do to protect our highest office from latent corruption. The Russian's are not our friends.



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Serious_frusting said:
Okie_Loki said:
Annnnnd how is this any different than the vast majority of the mainstream American media slandering Trump and actively pushing Clinton?

Thats the main reason I think Trump won because people hate being told they are stupid and wrong. 

Especially when they are.

And yes, I agree with you. That wasn't smart of her.



The media and trump haters are focusing on the wrong thing.

Let's say for argument sake that Russia did do this for the reason of getting Trump elected. What then should we do?

1. We should work on our cybersecurity and focus on improving that.
2. As for Trump/Clinton. No change. Russia didn't hack votes and change anything. If true, all they did was release factual information on Clinton that hurt her. Makes one think more along lines of enemy of my enemy is my friend. Doesn't matter if it was the Russian's or ISIS. The emails were factual emails. We should be more worries about what the emails enclosed than who disclosed them.

As for the actual did Russia do it? I'm on the side of no. Well, I'm mixed. On the one hand I've yet to see any evidence to suggest Russia and Wikileaks says it was not Russia. Wikileaks has yet to lose my faith in anything they have done so far. They have been truthful. They claim it was an insider on the DNC.
Second, as for Russia swaying the election. If I recall correctly when Putin was going into power, the U.S. especially Hilarry Clinton was very much invested and tried to sway their election. If anything I would see this as more "payback/retaliation" than trying to make trump win. I'm sure, just like most every other nation in the world, they assumed Hillary would win, cause our media said it so loudly as fact, that they probably just wanted to weaken her and tarnish the future presidents name. Of course, this is Russia did do anything, which again as I said above. I'm more inclined to trust Wikileaks than our partisan gov orgs like the CIA.

But again, comes down to who cares. I do'n shoot the messenger. Should I punch my friend in teh face if he tells me my wife is cheating on me? Some may, but that would be anger directed at teh wrong party. Russia, or Wikileaks or whoever you want to blame, is not who you should be blaming. The content of the emails is what hurt Hillary. I don't care who released them.



So, there was massive evidence of electoral fraud in support of the Democrats with some precincts staying open late and getting something like 98% votes for Hillary but in spite of this Trump still manages to win the election. Next the establishment media and the left freaks out and pushes for voter recounts in only the states where Trump narrowly won (not the ones where he lost). The recounts then start to come back and Trump is now winning with bigger numbers in those states then he did before the recounts happened. Now the establishment and the press is accusing Russia of having rigged the election after having insisted just a month ago that elections can't be rigged... How much more pathetic can you get?

I don't believe that Americans are stupid enough to believe this propaganda. This is such a blatant attempt to overthrow the democratic process. The establishment is accusing Russia of obstructing democracy when they themselves are ones who tried to overthrow the election. The only reason why the establishment is getting away with this is because their cronies in the mainstream media are covering for them. If I were you I would stop supporting the mainstream media in every way, they don't deserve your attention or your minds.



numberwang said:

Trump is a 4D genius. He baited all of the MSM and liberals to declare "election fraud" a nutty conspiracy theory & "danger to democracy" (Clinton) before the election. Now the same people have to flip-flop and claim "election fraud".



http://time.com/4440000/barack-obama-donald-trump-rigged-election/

MS should hire Donald Trump as their PR man before inauguration. He'd make Sony employees buy the XBONE! 



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numberwang said:

Trump is a 4D genius. He baited all of the MSM and liberals to declare "election fraud" a nutty conspiracy theory & "danger to democracy" (Clinton) before the election. Now the same people have to flip-flop and claim "election fraud".



http://time.com/4440000/barack-obama-donald-trump-rigged-election/

 

Trump was right then. It's rigged! Mystery solved.



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So the recount in Wisconsin is finished and Trump gained 162 extra votes... 4 Million $ for that.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/310039-donald-trump-wins-wisconsin-recount

Or did the Russians hack Wisconsin again?



Again lets say Russia hack is true. Here is basically the headline.
Russia rigs the election by releasing emails showing the DNC rigged the election.

The DNC was hacked twice. Once before Trump even announced his candidacy, and another like this past May. So one could argue that wikileaks (who released the info) was trying to sway the election by holding onto the information until like a month/week before vote.

But could you not argue the same for one of the MSM networks. They had a tape from YEARS ago showing trump saying that famous line "grab her by the pussy", yet they waited to release it until like a few weeks before election. Why did they wait. They could have released it back when he announced and killed his run before republican prmiaries were even over.

So that brings up a question. Which is worse? A foreign government, or wikileaks trying to sway our own election, or OUR VERY OWN MEDIA doing it? I personally think the later. It's that very later thing that makes countries like Russia and others so bad. They own the media, they limit what the media can or can't say. Ect. Isn't it a horrible omen when our very own media is starting to rig our elections?


Another thing I find funny, is people saying "If Russia wasn't trying to rig the election, why didn't they also release the RNC's emails." First of all, I have yet to read about concrete proof of any RNC hack. The DNC admitted they were hacked twice, and agencies confirm it. I don't recal anything about the RNC. But regardless, let's say the RNC was hacked. What good woudl it do releasing the emails? Trump is hardly an RNC golden boy. The RNC never ever truly backed trump. They tried their best to "rig" him out of the primaries. And then even when he was a canidate, they tried their best to try and swindle some way to get someone else, and anytime anything bad was said about trump you would hear dozens of republicans denounce him and say they won't vote for him, ect. The RNC may have horrendous emails, way worse than the DNC, but that doesn't matter. It woudl not be stuff that would hurt Trump. Also Trump is not a lifetime politician, so again an RNC hack wouldn't really affect him. It could have changed some senate/house seats, but would not have affected Trump.

But again, back to my first comment.
Russia rigs election by showing emails that prove the DNC rigged the election.

And like I do for most BLM knee jerk reactions, I'll wait till more evidence (or any) come out before I jump to Russia did it. 



Puppyroach said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

It's there in black and white with proof that Hillary had backing from Saudi Arabia with official documents and also to support Wikileaks releases.

There's no proof to say Russia had a role in promoting Trump.

False equivalence on a gross scale.

What reactions were there when Hillary asked Saudi Arabia to do espionage in order to find dirt on Trump? Oh wait, that was Trump asking Russia to do it towards Hillary... And tabloids are able to find direct quotes of Trump saying he wants to molest women by grabbing their genitals yet Wikileaks can't find ANYTHING on the guy? Even you must find that at least a little bit suspicious?

So you are just here to spin any dirt you can think of on Trump that isn't related to the thread? What's worrying is that you aren't able to convey factually an event that had video and audio of the whole event.. Trump said he likes to grab women by the pussy because they let you. You have turned that into molesting and implying it is unwanted avances like the liberal MSM ran with.

There's an argument to be made that what's wrong with his statements on that is that he was referring to a married woman, but you seem to have missed that and gone for false liberal hyperbole.

It's irelevant if Wikileaks can find anything on the guy, if he's done so much wrong in the world and had the entire mainstream media and political establishment against him, then more would have come out than "grab 'em by the pussy" and his buisness dealings, oh and those discredited accusers.

Give me some facts.



deskpro2k3 said:
numberwang said:

Trump is a 4D genius. He baited all of the MSM and liberals to declare "election fraud" a nutty conspiracy theory & "danger to democracy" (Clinton) before the election. Now the same people have to flip-flop and claim "election fraud".



http://time.com/4440000/barack-obama-donald-trump-rigged-election/

 

Trump was right then. It's rigged! Mystery solved.

Trump was right then AND now.

The MSM, New Media and establishment was rigged against him.

Widespread voter fraud from the democrats in ethnic areas as it's always been.

All that's obvious and was visible on election day results and every day priot to election.

There's a reason the older people get, the more they vote against the democrats. That reason was played out this election cycle.

Knowledge brings wisdom!