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FunFan on 10 December 2016
Hiku said:
FunFan said:

Russia is no News Media.

Right. And any plausible agenda from local news media can't compare to how harmful the agenda that comes from another nation that has been in direct conflict with US interests countless times can be.

Conflict with USA interests or conflict with the interests of the established goverment and the people in power? Cause I have no interest in overthrowing Syria's goverment just to benefit Israel.



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UnderstatedCornHole on 10 December 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Out of pretence?

Please explain, I've rebutted your ponts, if you can't do the same or you are using ideoligy then say as such because it seems we ideologically trust different things. If you trust the CIA word for word without providing any evidence at all and not even making a specific accusation then please say that.

By doing that, there doesn't need to be a negative ending and we can agree to disagree.

Or you could, you know, change your opinion.

 

Lets go back down memory lane.

"What did Russia do? Right now they're denying everything, meanwhile all the evidence from the CIA ongoing investigation says otherwise."

Where in this statement did I say I trust what the CIA said? I remember saying I'll leave it to the professionals to explain the outcome of the investigation.

It's understandable that some information have to be kept a secret for national secuirty, but at this moment they're pushing in the senate to make such secrets involving this case declassified.

So here comes you. no sources but just a hunch. I hope we can put this behind us now.

So you agree that as it stands right now, the accusations are baseless.



CaptainExplosion2 on 10 December 2016
bunchanumbers said:
CaptainExplosion2 said:

In fact I hope America descends into civil war just so they learn how horrible their country has become.

Bastards like Trump and Putin are why we'll never have world peace, and World War III is imminent unless they die.

That won't happen. Remember one side is armed to the teeth and all wear Make America Great hats. After January, Trump will control the military and will have millions of people who will die for him. And some of them will do this happily. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns this into a lifetime presidency. Once it comes time to give up power, he just won't do it. He'll use his military and his followers to keep himself in control. All resistance will be crushed and that will be that.

So we should just sit back and take it? Fuck you America. We're all gonna get nuked because you got cozy with a nation of sociopaths.



Puppyroach on 10 December 2016
UnderstatedCornHole said:
Puppyroach said:
No surprise at all that Russia played a big role in it, and noone should be surprised why Wikileaks only seemed to have "dirt" on Hillary and nothing on Trump. At the same time, Hillary had huge backing from Saudi Arabia so it's extremely corrupt on both sides.

It's there in black and white with proof that Hillary had backing from Saudi Arabia with official documents and also to support Wikileaks releases.

There's no proof to say Russia had a role in promoting Trump.

False equivalence on a gross scale.

What reactions were there when Hillary asked Saudi Arabia to do espionage in order to find dirt on Trump? Oh wait, that was Trump asking Russia to do it towards Hillary... And tabloids are able to find direct quotes of Trump saying he wants to molest women by grabbing their genitals yet Wikileaks can't find ANYTHING on the guy? Even you must find that at least a little bit suspicious?



bunchanumbers on 10 December 2016
CaptainExplosion2 said:
bunchanumbers said:

That won't happen. Remember one side is armed to the teeth and all wear Make America Great hats. After January, Trump will control the military and will have millions of people who will die for him. And some of them will do this happily. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns this into a lifetime presidency. Once it comes time to give up power, he just won't do it. He'll use his military and his followers to keep himself in control. All resistance will be crushed and that will be that.

So we should just sit back and take it? Fuck you America. We're all gonna get nuked because you got cozy with a nation of sociopaths.

In the end, Putin and Trump will be the twin powers of the world. Well actually Russia will be.



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Locknuts on 10 December 2016

Well I'm glad Russian brought some balance to the election. After all the mainstream media were almost all pro DNC. Without Russia it would have been all one-sided.



CosmicSex on 10 December 2016
FunFan said:
So, all Russia did was expose the truth? lol OMG Russia so meanie, exposing poor corrupt America. Bad Russia.

*Slaps Russia's wrist*

Okay let me try to explain.  it was revealed that  Russia hacked both the  DNC and RNC but only ever leaked DNC material.  and it did it almost every day for months.  it was clear that they wanted Trump elected.  What complicates this is the fact that we know that Trump has undisclosed dealings with Russia.  Its quite interesting to see Russia exerting its influence on the US.  what Russia did was target on of the candidates to help out another candidate that they are financially connected to.  That is corruption.   Also it is obviously cyber espionage.   The concept of facts didn't die off yet.



CosmicSex on 10 December 2016
Locknuts said:
Well I'm glad Russian brought some balance to the election. After all the mainstream media were almost all pro DNC. Without Russia it would have been all one-sided.

Russia has no place sponsoring a canidate in a US election.   States are supposed to have sovereignty, either through elections or whatever,  to choose there own leader.  It would be fair however to point out that the US has done this to other nations as well.



CosmicSex on 10 December 2016

Its like the cold war never ended. They waited a long time but they were finally able to seize power of the US. While disturbing to Americans, it is interesting to point out that this is an impressive victory for them. They get a President put into place that will categorically dismiss its own intelligence. Where the fuck is he gonna get intel from then?

Without firing a single bullet, they embarassed and seized the White House. It is remarkable really.



Rab on 10 December 2016
CaptainExplosion2 said:
bdbdbd said:

Wait, wasn't it the Clinton campaign that advocated war? So far Trump have been very cooperative with pretty much everybody.

Including Russia, one of the scummiest countries in the world. Nothing but war, oppression and disaster can come from the alliance of Trump and Putin. They're both pigs who want to destroy our way of life. The fact that Canadian troops are fighting Russian troops further cements why Russia can't be trusted. They won't stop at just Canada, they'll move on and get World War III underway.

All this because of Trump getting in bed with modern Stalin. Both need to die before it ends the world.

This is just the kind of hyperbole that will kick start WWIII off

Its classic text book stuff out of "How we make enemies 101"