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SvennoJ said:
pray4mojo said:

The games as art argument has always been weak. To me, the "art" of a game is how great it is as a total package. Super Mario Bros. 3 is a work of art because of just how fluid, smooth and perfect his movement feels. When you combine that with level design, art work, music... it's absolutely art.

Claiming the Last Guardian is artistic when it has less than stellar controls is accurate in the sense that it is, indeed, art. But it's inaccurate to say it's of higher quality than something that controls like butter. It SHOULD have gotten 7's because it was flawed in one aspect.

I think you are confusing the difference between art and craftmanship. Mario games are expertly crafted (and very artistic too btw) yet this passage describes Fumito Ueda perfectly.

An artist I know, who comes from a 400-year family tradition of art-making, once told me that he considers the difference to be this:  "a craftsman will allow his material to limit his expression, but an artist never will." He says that all artists are craftspeople, but that artists go further in what they choose to accomplish - and that the crux of the matter is in this issue of their relationship with material. An artist will fight, transmute, transform - whatever they have to do - their material to bend it to their will - to get it to be the vehicle of expression that they need to achieve.  A craftsman will accept the limitations of their material and work within it to produce the result they're after, whether that is beautiful or functional or whatever. The questions of beauty or multiples or these other considerations are really beside the point.

Shigero Miyamoto accepts the limits of his medium, Fumito Ueda does not. I admire his vision and non compromising attitude towards realizing it. For that reason it is of higher quality to me. His vision is inspiring to me, and while I really enjoy the smoothness and craftmanship of a mario game, Fumito's games stick with me.

Sounds like you just prefer the strenghs of Ueda more than the those of Miyamoto. And that's fine.



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Pretentious prick: "This game has really bad camera and is borderline unplayable, but it tells a good story and is artsy. 10/10"

Way too common these days



naruball said:
Nogamez said:
how could a game get a 100 percent if it has flaws though?

That never stopped other games from getting them. GTA being a perfect example with its insane number of perfect scores.

SKYRIM 200 goty awards .



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melbye said:
Pretentious prick: "This game has really bad camera and is borderline unplayable, but it tells a good story and is artsy. 10/10"

Way too common these days

That shows some people are clever enough to judge the whole expérience of a game.



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mjk45 said:
naruball said:

That never stopped other games from getting them. GTA being a perfect example with its insane number of perfect scores.

SKYRIM 200 goty awards .

Damn, forgot about that.



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melbye said:
Pretentious prick: "This game has really bad camera and is borderline unplayable, but it tells a good story and is artsy. 10/10"

Way too common these days

How common are we talking about? Some examples wouldn't hurt. I'll wait.



naruball said:
mjk45 said:

SKYRIM 200 goty awards .

Damn, forgot about that.

Not only does it highlight a game with it's technical deficencies being overlooked, it also comes with a large WTF quotient in regards to the sheer number of awards there are, but most importantly can we become a dealer of said wares? ,of course we would only deal in the purist GOTY product that our cheap indentured Chinese lackeys can produce.



Research shows Video games  help make you smarter, so why am I an idiot

So a score is invalid if it's not perfect? Turkish, what if The Last Guardian isn't perfect?



Why should we accept substandard gameplay ever? I don't understand the argument here. Gamers have every right to be frustrated that a game that has been in development forever lacks fundamental polish in some areas. Now, I haven't personally played it, but I do know that no matter how pretty a game is, if it isn't fun to control, it gets really difficult for me to enjoy.

"Art" is not an excuse for poor gameplay.



Ka-pi96 said:
ps3-sales! said:

I don't think you understand what art is. *Sigh*

I understand perfectly what art is. Stuff that old/pretentious people like.

That's an incredibly childish and naive thing to say, and you know it.



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