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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

Nuvendil said:
zorg1000 said:

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

I think the biggest damage was CoD's performance.  It's not just down, it's WAY down.  And there was no official bundle for it.  And Assassin's Creed, also a typical console mover, skipped this year.  And aside from Battlefield, all the rest you mentioned were fairly underhyped and Mavia in particular got quite the lukewarm reception.  

And PS4 lowered it's price late in the November game, so that's part of that issue.  But Xbox's problem is that their little game of fire sale after fire sale is a war of diminishing returns.  Having them so frequently has eroded their effectiveness.  So Sony under-utilized their resources and Microsoft has so often over played their hand with the sales that their agression in the Holidays this year just isn't as effective as it has been in the past.  

Agree with pretty much all of that, particularily with supa bomba CoD and the part about fire sales and diminishing returns. At this point, any potential Xbox owner would be crazy not to wait for the console to be on sale before buying.



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CGI-Quality said:
zorg1000 said:

Idk seems like making excuses

The combination of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, Dishonored, Mafia along with first holiday for Slim models and sub-$250 price tags should have put them up YOY.

As for the rumored figures, you should read the post that I originally responded to. He asked why the rumored numbers are considered bad, I said they arent bad but are lower than people thought they would be based on all the things they had going for them.

Hmmm....... what exactly is there to make excuses for?

It's very simple - you offered a bunch of titles that may not have had the selling power of games prior (I say this, because we still don't know if these numbers are legit). Yes, Slim/Mid Gen revisions can (and usually do) help a console's YoY situation, but you also have to have games that people want to buy the system for.

 If these numbers prove true, that would be a logical explanation, not an excuse (unless you're trying to make a claim that things look grim for the PS4 and X1, in which case I would highly disagree, but I doubt you're going that far). 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you asked someone how much PS4/XBO would sell in Nov a few months ago they would say the combination of those titles, new models and big price cuts would lead to solid YOY growth.

They didn't and both devices sold below most expectations if these numbers are true.



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numbers out yet?



I find it very hard that the difference is only 100k



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
I find it very hard that the difference is only 100k



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SWORDF1SH said:
DonFerrari said:
I find it very hard that the difference is only 100k

when I posted I thought it was December NPD... anyway we never did get the final numbers then, right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
SWORDF1SH said:

 

when I posted I thought it was December NPD... anyway we never did get the final numbers then, right?

No there's no official numbers yet. I wonder why though...



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Rafie said:
DonFerrari said:

when I posted I thought it was December NPD... anyway we never did get the final numbers then, right?

No there's no official numbers yet. I wonder why though...

And aquamarine haven't spilled the beans or didn't even engage this month?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Bandorr said:
DonFerrari said:

And aquamarine haven't spilled the beans or didn't even engage this month?

Said no numbers until Jan.  Then deleted their account. So we may never get official numbers.

I see, thanks guys for the info



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Was just revisiting this thread.

Thought I'd let you guys know that Windows Central got the number wrong for PS4.

IIRC they 'leaked' November and December results. November PS4 number is wrong.