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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

Aura7541 on 16 December 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
Now all is settled down we have to analyse the situation. So PS4 down significantly YoY is disappointing for Sony, no doubt about it but WW has more than made up for the lackluster month in the US.
On the positive note from Sony's pov, they beat the Xbox One by 100k and crushed their momentum. The Xbox One S was supposed to be the console that pushed them ahead and now with all the cards on the table, it didn't.
It must be worrying for MS and Xbox One , US/UK are the only markets they can compete but still handily being beaten, even with the 'S'.
Meanwhile, Sony is closing in on 20M consoles sold this year.

I think Sony is happy revenue-wise since the UC4 bundle and Pro were the only PS4 SKUs. It's less expensive to bundle a 1st party game than a 3rd party game and whatever the Pro sells is a bonus since it's the more expensive SKU. In contrast, the XBO had a lot of different bundles, with multiple Battlefield 1 bundles in the market along with the Gears 4 blue XBOS bundle that was released at the beginning of November.



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AsGryffynn on 16 December 2016
BraLoD said:
SWORDF1SH said:

BraLOL 

BraLoL is my cousin that is addicted on League of Legends!

You should change it... 

VGPolyglot said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Now all is settled down we have to analyse the situation. So PS4 down significantly YoY is disappointing for Sony, no doubt about it but WW has more than made up for the lackluster month in the US.
On the positive note from Sony's pov, they beat the Xbox One by 100k and crushed their momentum. The Xbox One S was supposed to be the console that pushed them ahead and now with all the cards on the table, it didn't.
It must be worrying for MS and Xbox One , US/UK are the only markets they can compete but still handily being beaten, even with the 'S'.
Meanwhile, Sony is closing in on 20M consoles sold this year.

Well, you can't ignore the fact that the Pro was released Russ month, which makes the win much less impressive.

And unlikely to be sustainable. If MS keeps the momentum after this month which seems no longer inconceivable, they might gain their lead back... Then it will become an strange inverted version of what happened last gen between the two. 

According to everything I've been able to read on past NPDs or in other words nothing, the Xbox One literally only needs to put half a hundred thousand sales more to regain the lead. 



X1Gates on 16 December 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
Now all is settled down we have to analyse the situation. So PS4 down significantly YoY is disappointing for Sony, no doubt about it but WW has more than made up for the lackluster month in the US.
On the positive note from Sony's pov, they beat the Xbox One by 100k and crushed their momentum. The Xbox One S was supposed to be the console that pushed them ahead and now with all the cards on the table, it didn't.
It must be worrying for MS and Xbox One , US/UK are the only markets they can compete but still handily being beaten, even with the 'S'.
Meanwhile, Sony is closing in on 20M consoles sold this year.

Not really. Sony released the ps vr and also the pro/fire sale and they could only manage 100k sales gap. It is worrying for sony that they could only mnage that 100k sale gap



ZhugeEX on 16 December 2016
Boutros said:
ZhugeEX said:
The top 10 rankings are based on revenue, not units.

Oh so this has been the case ever since the recent reform?

That is correct. 

Using the rankings to work out unit sales, without factoring in which games are priced lower or have been discounted, can give an inaccurate view of the market. 

Not to mention that some games include digital sales in the rankings whilst others do not. 



SvennoJ on 16 December 2016
AsGryffynn said:
BraLoD said:

BraLoL is my cousin that is addicted on League of Legends!

You should change it... 

VGPolyglot said:

Well, you can't ignore the fact that the Pro was released Russ month, which makes the win much less impressive.

And unlikely to be sustainable. If MS keeps the momentum after this month which seems no longer inconceivable, they might gain their lead back... Then it will become an strange inverted version of what happened last gen between the two. 

According to everything I've been able to read on past NPDs or in other words nothing, the Xbox One literally only needs to put half a hundred thousand sales more to regain the lead. 

I thought the ps4 was still 150k ahead going into November, so if this 100k gap is true it's still a quarter million more the XBox One needs to put in to win 2016. Where did that thread go...

Edit: found it
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=222839&page=1
PS4 vs XBox One 2421 vs 2210 (corrected total)
So if the rumors are true it's now 3521k vs 3210k



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barneystinson69 on 16 December 2016
ZhugeEX said:
Boutros said:

Oh so this has been the case ever since the recent reform?

That is correct. 

Using the rankings to work out unit sales, without factoring in which games are priced lower or have been discounted, can give an inaccurate view of the market. 

Not to mention that some games include digital sales in the rankings whilst others do not. 

PLEASE GIVE US HW NUMBERS!!!! Or at least a gap between the PS4 and XB1...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

SWORDF1SH on 16 December 2016
X1Gates said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Now all is settled down we have to analyse the situation. So PS4 down significantly YoY is disappointing for Sony, no doubt about it but WW has more than made up for the lackluster month in the US.
On the positive note from Sony's pov, they beat the Xbox One by 100k and crushed their momentum. The Xbox One S was supposed to be the console that pushed them ahead and now with all the cards on the table, it didn't.
It must be worrying for MS and Xbox One , US/UK are the only markets they can compete but still handily being beaten, even with the 'S'.
Meanwhile, Sony is closing in on 20M consoles sold this year.

Not really. Sony released the ps vr and also the pro/fire sale and they could only manage 100k sales gap. It is worrying for sony that they could only mnage that 100k sale gap

Pro fire sales? That was part of Cyber Monday and December NPD. Edit - O you meant Pro launch and fire sales. Fire sales are part of Black Friday, Xbox had them too. It's standard. 

How can MS not be disappointed? The Xbox One S first holiday, massive hype about how it's going to improve sales and it's down YoY by 300k. We don't really need to compare it to the PS4 to see that's a big disappointment for MS. If they had strong WW sales like the PS4 which just had its best Black Friday week Worldwide in PlayStation history, they wouldn't worry about being down in the US.



Nuvendil on 16 December 2016
ZhugeEX said:
Boutros said:

Oh so this has been the case ever since the recent reform?

That is correct. 

Using the rankings to work out unit sales, without factoring in which games are priced lower or have been discounted, can give an inaccurate view of the market. 

Not to mention that some games include digital sales in the rankings whilst others do not. 

So wait...they noted Pokemon doesn't include digital sales and it has been priced lower than CoD for most of the month...doesn't that mean it being above CoD according to NPD actually means it beat it rather badly in terms of straight up sales?



SWORDF1SH on 16 December 2016
barneystinson69 said:
ZhugeEX said:

That is correct. 

Using the rankings to work out unit sales, without factoring in which games are priced lower or have been discounted, can give an inaccurate view of the market. 

Not to mention that some games include digital sales in the rankings whilst others do not. 

PLEASE GIVE US HW NUMBERS!!!! Or at least a gap between the PS4 and XB1...

It's the rumoured numbers. Everything points to it. 



LudicrousSpeed on 16 December 2016

Only 100k can't be legit, lol.