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November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

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Barkley said:
XBO outsold PS4 by 266.2k in July, August, September and October combined.

300k would completely wipe out everything the XBO fought so hard for the last 4 months, and then a little extra as well. Yet this apparently wouldn't be a good victory for PlayStation somehow

Any victory is a good victory. 



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celador said:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/09/november-call-of-duty-physical-game-sales-fell-nearly-50-percent-analysts-say.html

cod down nearly 50%

So it basically sold ''only'' 2.3m on all platforms in 4 weeks?!? 
Ouch. Serves them right though.
That also means that Pokemon Sun/Moon (2 weeks) > COD:IW (4 weeks) 
Incredible achievement for Pokemon, even after 20 years!!



Do these BF1 numbers (1.29m) include digital?

Edit: Ops, sorry wrong thread.



tak13 said:
JRPGfan said:

They might just have made back, what they lost in gap, to the Xbox One those NPDs they lost earlier, this November.

And they won cyber monday, so their off to winning December NPD.

Then you start looking at the game lineup early 2017...... PS4 is going to keep winning until Scorpio releases, imo.

The gap might be the number of units that PS4 pro sold...

For example, Xbox one might have outsold PS4 if you exclude the newly PS4 pro, or PS4 without pro might have barely outsold xb1!

This is what I was getting at in my second point. If PS4 and XB1S were close, then even if Pro gave PS the 300k + lead or whatever it ends up being, it would look very concerning for PS and would prove MS has gained ground and may sit at parity with PS4 sales going forward. PS would rather keep that information behind closed doors if true.

PS may however also be working out how they want to show the numbers, broke up or all together, or potentially they are so comfortable they just dont care and dont see the need to kick MS while their down any longer.

The fact that PS4 is staying at $249 says to me that XB1 is putting up a good enough fight in NA that PS doesn't want to take any chances and is just going to keep their foot on MS's chest to make sure they stay down.



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EricHiggin said:
tak13 said:

The gap might be the number of units that PS4 pro sold...

For example, Xbox one might have outsold PS4 if you exclude the newly PS4 pro, or PS4 without pro might have barely outsold xb1!

This is what I was getting at in my second point. If PS4 and XB1S were close, then even if Pro gave PS the 300k + lead or whatever it ends up being, it would look very concerning for PS and would prove MS has gained ground and may sit at parity with PS4 sales going forward. PS would rather keep that information behind closed doors if true.

PS may however also be working out how they want to show the numbers, broke up or all together, or potentially they are so comfortable they just dont care and dont see the need to kick MS while their down any longer.

The fact that PS4 is staying at $249 says to me that XB1 is putting up a good enough fight in NA that PS doesn't want to take any chances and is just going to keep their foot on MS's chest to make sure they stay down.

That's why I can't tell that anyone who considers a possible 300k gap not big, that is wrong! If that was without the PS4 pro launch, then 300k is surely a big discrepancy!

To be honest, for me an impressive gap would be 500k+ under these circumstances...

1m-1.3m vs 1.5m-1.8m!



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tak13 said:
Barkley said:
I'm amazed people are claiming "300k" isn't a lot to win by. Amazed but not surprised.

If the rationale of this is that PS4 had an upgraded hardware revision release, then they might be somewhat right.

So you sre really saying that PS4 managing to in ome month outselling the XB1 by around 300k is nothing when it took the XB1 4 months to build a gap of around 260k?

And while talking about hardware revisions... look at this, amongst the months the XB1 won one of those saw it have its own hardware revision release along with a price drop. Had its biggest games of the year released during the ssme 4 month window. Basically, the equivalent of throwing eveeything at the end of the year. And in one month PS4 made all that just go away? And to you that's nothing?

This is becoming embarrassing. 



TheGamer95 said:
celador said:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/09/november-call-of-duty-physical-game-sales-fell-nearly-50-percent-analysts-say.html

cod down nearly 50%

So it basically sold ''only'' 2.3m on all platforms in 4 weeks?!? 
Ouch. Serves them right though.
That also means that Pokemon Sun/Moon (2 weeks) > COD:IW (4 weeks) 
Incredible achievement for Pokemon, even after 20 years!!

Call of Duty will probably still come out on top this month because of digital sales. CoD is the kind of title that has a 30% digital ratio so it's more than likely north of 3.5m with those. But it is fair to assume that Pokémon would have come on top had it had 4 weeks too.



What the hell kinda NPD result is this? Give us some numbers if they know that PS4 is #1, therefore that means they have the numbers.



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celador said:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/09/november-call-of-duty-physical-game-sales-fell-nearly-50-percent-analysts-say.html

cod down nearly 50%

Ouch. Will have to see if they can recoup some of the loss with next years entry, will them finally returning to a non-futurisitic setting be enough, or is this the start of a probably slow demise.



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Switch lite really screwed up my Switch prediction this year! Looks like it's going to be about 19.5m-20m for the Switch in 2019, 14.3m for PS4.

Huge drop fot COD. I expect it to be down with digital too because BO3 seemed yo had a better digital ranking. Also which number is more accurate? Someone linked PS4 winning by about 200k buy i saw lots of posts in this thread saying 300k.