DonFerrari said:
burninmylight said:
Doing a port of FF XVI... on Switch 0,6TF
While the Switch might be in that TF range, I'd feel better talking about this once we have more concrete information. Right now, it's all rumors and speculation. You can call this a cop out if you want, but I'd be saying the same thing if the Switch was rumored to be 60TF.
when they will at the same time dev for Scorpio on 6+TF seems really simple
Every game that comes to the Scorpio will also come to the original X1, so this is a moot point. I thought everyone knew that.
Even better is how much 3rd party sells on Nintendo consoles
And Square Enix games usually do very well on Nintendo consoles. Nintendo console owners have proven that they will support SE's efforts.
and the premise of OP that FF is selling less but associating that with PS and that putting the games on Nintendo would make sales sky high
I agree that it is not a PlayStation brand problem. It is more of a loss of consumer trust and the fact that the game is on a system that must be plugged into a wall socket at all times. But Soundwave NEVER said that putting the games on a Nintendo console would make sales "sky high." That's just hyperbole on your part. He's said over and over and over that the home console market in Japan is almost dead, and a portable console like the Switch is it's only hope for survival. You seem to read every post in the thread, so how do you keep missing this?
It's not about it being from Nintendo. If the PS4 was outselling over there and wrecking shop, this thread wouldn't exist. IF the Vita wasn't being outsold by the 3DS, then we'd be saying FF needs to come to the Vita. But the fact is that the 3DS is the most popular console there, but Japanese devs are reluctant to support it. With it looking very likely that Sony will not produce a successor to the Vita, the Switch will be the last portable console that we have left. If Japanese devs refuse to support that, then they better start brushing up on their mobile development skills. What is so hard to understand about that? You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean that you have to warp the message in the process.
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I won't declare a cop out, the rumors are 0,6TF (and would make sense as a portable) but sure it could be stronger.
Yes, developing for 1,2TF X1 will be a nightmare if they try to capitalize on Scorpio prowess, but going to 0,6 (if that is the end number) will be even worse and the port would be the worse of the pack and we saw time and again how Nintendo fans threat their ports when it's the worse version.
SE and other companies will develop games for the original PS4 and X1 and work their way up, not the other way around. No way are they abandoning tens of millions of consumers for a fraction of that number. The PS4 Pro and Scorpio are not a factor when considering Switch ports, only the original PS4 and X1. And I doubt Sony and Microsoft would develop these mid-gen upgrades knowing that it would make capitalizing on their prowess a nightmare. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing.
Comparing to other companies I can accept that their games are better accepted than most other 3rd parties, but when talking about MP the piece of pie Nintendo sells is very little or am I wrong?
MP... multiplayer? Isn't FFXV primarily a single player experience? Because if so, then I fail to see what this has to do with the topic.
Considering all numbered FF were for home consoles I don't think that is the reason for the fall of FF (but sure considering base size they would have more to sell on HH altough I don't think FF is the kind of game I would want on the go, but who knows if the japanese would want).
I think the Japanese would love anything on the go. Their lifestyle is very suited to handhelds, and they show that with their wallets. And considering that HH development is considerably cheaper than home console development, they wouldn't need to sell as much, not to mention that handhelds are more popular worldwide, so they would have a larger base to sell to.
Sorry, this is one of the threads I couldn't dedicate to read everything, week have been filled because of FF Exvius. I was tooking from the OP that he was decreating the death of FF and home console and that only selling on Switch would mmake sense.
PLEASE READ THIS PARAGRAPH, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE. He didn't say FF is dead/dying. He said the home console market in Japan is dying. He also never said selling ONLY on Switch would make sense. He said that if Japanese devs want to save their console market, they need to start bringing their games to the Switch as well (which means not just PS4 games, but Vita games). Not once did he say FF should be exclusive to Nintendo. This is what a lot of people in this thread interpreted the message as, but that has never been the case.
FF have always been about being the most advance possible on consoles, and they had spin offs to go to portables (I don't think they really sold gangbangs on the portables have it? Not the time to check right now). So they would have to totally switch their development mindset to make FF go to HH instead of console. Looking at Japan it could make sense, but looking WW and that FF always managed good sales overseas I wouldn't bet on this being the best solution.
No, it hasn't always been about the spectacle for Final Fantasy. That started with VII on the PlayStation. Square made a paradigm shift back then, and it paid off big time. Square as also made several big time blunders over the years too. I'm not saying whether it should shift its development mindset, but I am saying that the Japanese home console market has a knee in the grave (and that's before we get to AAA development in general), and continuing down the stubborn path it's been on could be self-destructive.
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