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Alkibiádēs said:
Hynad said:

According to the company’s latest report, the figure is a culmination of both its digital and physical sales. This officially makes Final Fantasy XV the fastest-selling title in the Final Fantasy franchise. The game has also broken the record for the highest recorded first-day digital copies sold in Japan. 

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2016/12/final-fantasy-xv-shipments-top-5-million-worldwide-fastest-selling-title-series/

 

[The] game is the first in the series’ history to have a simultaneous global launch. Having surpassed five million sales across the world already, the game also broke the record for most downloads of a game on day of release in Japan. In the Asian region that excludes Japan it also broke the record for total game sales on day one, including packaged version units shipped and digital downloads.

Not only is this a record-breaker for these regions, Final Fantasy XV has some of the most impressive day one sales figures the industry at large has ever seen!


Of course, Soundwave. Everything is doom and gloom for Final Fantasy in Japan, and Square-Enix needs to be saved by none other than Nintendo. The same Nintendo that has been struggling to remain relevent in the home console market for the last 5 years... What sound arguments you make (sarcasm and pun intended).

 

 

 



You might want to actually read the article, here I bolded it for you. It's the first FF with a simultaneous worldwide launch, of course it was going to be the "best" launch-day in the history of FF. That means nothing. Pokémon Sun and Moon are the fastest selling Pokémon games to date, but that doesn't mean they're all of a sudden going to outsell Pokémon Red and Blue. You're just spinning the narrative in your favour. Also that 5 million figure is SHIPPED, not SOLD. Shipped means nothing if loads of copies remain on the shelves.

This is the first main-line entry into the FF franchise since 2009 and it saw a huge decline in Japan, it's home country. That is a worrying sign. Over 7 years in development for this? It's bad. A large chunk of sales from each FF entry has always come from Japan. Don't overestimate the franchise's importance in the West. It needs both Japan and the West to survive.

Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch and Pokémon are all far better off than Final Fantasy is. They don't have to struggle with overly long development cycles or ridiculously high development budgets. Since 2013 the Yokai Watch franchise has managed to sell over 12 million copies, with most of those sales coming from Japan only. And we're not even taking into account all the profit they made from selling merchandise and toys (where FF is not nearly as succesful in). Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate saw the highest sales in the West in the franchise's history, so it's not like chosing Nintendo means giving up the West like some people make it out to be on here.

You talk about spin? Japan has been known to be migrating its gaming habit to portable devices. All the titles you mentioned are in accordance to that.

Final Fantasy XV is breaking records for digital download in Japan. So see whatever you want in that. The official statement by Square-Enix is that it is the fastest selling title in the franchise so far, aligned or not.

If anything, Final Fantasy XV's performance in Japan so far should be commended considering it's doing this well and breaking that record despite the huge damage the Final Fantasy XIII games have done to the brand.



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Hynad said:
Alkibiádēs said:

You might want to actually read the article, here I bolded it for you. It's the first FF with a simultaneous worldwide launch, of course it was going to be the "best" launch-day in the history of FF. That means nothing. Pokémon Sun and Moon are the fastest selling Pokémon games to date, but that doesn't mean they're all of a sudden going to outsell Pokémon Red and Blue. You're just spinning the narrative in your favour. Also that 5 million figure is SHIPPED, not SOLD. Shipped means nothing if loads of copies remain on the shelves.

This is the first main-line entry into the FF franchise since 2009 and it saw a huge decline in Japan, it's home country. That is a worrying sign. Over 7 years in development for this? It's bad. A large chunk of sales from each FF entry has always come from Japan. Don't overestimate the franchise's importance in the West. It needs both Japan and the West to survive.

Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch and Pokémon are all far better off than Final Fantasy is. They don't have to struggle with overly long development cycles or ridiculously high development budgets. Since 2013 the Yokai Watch franchise has managed to sell over 12 million copies, with most of those sales coming from Japan only. And we're not even taking into account all the profit they made from selling merchandise and toys (where FF is not nearly as succesful in). Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate saw the highest sales in the West in the franchise's history, so it's not like chosing Nintendo means giving up the West like some people make it out to be on here.

You talk about spin? Japan has been known to be migrating its gaming habit to portable devices. All the titles you mentioned are in accordance to that.

Splatoon made a splash. Sure. 

So did Final Fantasy XV, breaking records for digital download in Japan. See whatever you want. The official statement by Square-Enix is that it is the fastest selling title in the franchise so far, aligned or not.

You do realize I'm suggesting Square should have supported the 3DS with mainline entries into the FF franchise, right? Sqaure can't have missed the migrating gaming habits by Japanese towards portable devices. That means they're either too stubborn or too much in love with Sony to make the only correct decision.

The official statement by Square-Enix means nothing when you take into account reality.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:
Hynad said:

You talk about spin? Japan has been known to be migrating its gaming habit to portable devices. All the titles you mentioned are in accordance to that.

Splatoon made a splash. Sure. 

So did Final Fantasy XV, breaking records for digital download in Japan. See whatever you want. The official statement by Square-Enix is that it is the fastest selling title in the franchise so far, aligned or not.

You do realize I'm suggesting Square should have supported the 3DS with mainline entries into the FF franchise, right?

The official statement by Square-Enix means nothing when you take into account reality.


And what reality is that? From the worldwide sales so far, the reality is that Final Fantasy is still a huge brand and has its place on home consoles. Nintendo could get the mainline titles if they'd support developers with competent home console hardware. The 3DS isn't the suitable place for games of the scale of Final Fantasy XV. As was made obvious by the lackluster port of Xenoblade.



Alkibiádēs said:
Hynad said:

You talk about spin? Japan has been known to be migrating its gaming habit to portable devices. All the titles you mentioned are in accordance to that.

Splatoon made a splash. Sure. 

So did Final Fantasy XV, breaking records for digital download in Japan. See whatever you want. The official statement by Square-Enix is that it is the fastest selling title in the franchise so far, aligned or not.

You do realize I'm suggesting Square should have supported the 3DS with mainline entries into the FF franchise, right? Sqaure can't have missed the migrating gaming habits by Japanese towards portable devices. That means they're either too stubborn or too much in love with Sony to make the only correct decision.

The official statement by Square-Enix means nothing when you take into account reality.

Square/Enix supported the 3DS with Bravely Default and DQ. Going from big elaborate productions to dinky DS graphics with mainline FF would have been a bigger shock to gamers' systems than Nintendo fans freaking out over toon Link in Wind Waker. Square/Enix sticking with Sony hasn't been out of fanboyism, but to keep the FF series cutting edge on the AAA stage.



Well the alarm as a whole should be about how the Japanese cultured games may not exists in the near future, because the western markets are to interested in specs and visuals! This is driving the mainstream into thinking that everyone wants this focus in their games first...

At one point in history Japanese gaming stood for paramount gameplay experiences! The best of everything came out of Japan and I think the HD generation ruined most of these companies focus. Instead of just bringing amazing game play, it's as if they got lost in the rat race of making games look good.



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Hynad said:
Alkibiádēs said:

You do realize I'm suggesting Square should have supported the 3DS with mainline entries into the FF franchise, right?

The official statement by Square-Enix means nothing when you take into account reality.


And what reality is that? From the worldwise sales so far, the reality is that Final Fantasy is still a huge brand and has its place on home consoles.
Nintendo could get the mainline games, if they'd support developers with competent home console hardware. 

First of all, we only know about Japanese sales, which saw a massive drop. We know nothing about worldwide sales. This is the first FF game with a simultaneous worldwide release, so "best selling launch week" means nothing and is marketing trickery. Second of all, digital sales have grown tremendously since 2009. You couldn't even download FF XIII online when it first launched. So highest launch-day digital sales is another meaningless achievement. It means nothing, it's empty marketing.

We only know that the sales in Japan are poor and that it had an initial worldwide shipment of 5 million. That doesn't mean it's going to sell 5 million copies in a week. Success isn't guaranteed in the West like some people think it is.

Yokai Watch, Monster Hunter and Pokémon saw great success on the 3DS, so don't give me crap about Nintendo needing to support developers with "competent home console hardware". Square-Enix needs to follow the fans and you yourself just admitted they migrated to portable consoles.

Mainline Final Fantasy games would have sold well on the 3DS and they would have been able to release 3 or more mainline entries if they wanted to. We have Yokai Watch 1-3, Pokémon X/Y, Pokémon ORAS and Pokémon Sun/Moon and god knows how many Monster Hunter games on the 3DS. All sold incredibly well. And the development budgets of all these games combined probably doesn't match the development budget of FF XV alone. Wake up to the harsh reality.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Jranation said:
Sprash said:

You find that FFXV sales funny? 

No.



Alkibiádēs said:
Hynad said:


And what reality is that? From the worldwise sales so far, the reality is that Final Fantasy is still a huge brand and has its place on home consoles.
Nintendo could get the mainline games, if they'd support developers with competent home console hardware. 

First of all, we only know about Japanese sales, which saw a massive drop. We know nothing about worldwide sales. This is the first FF game with a simultaneous worldwide release, so "best selling launch week" means nothing and is marketing trickery. Second of all, digital sales have grown tremendously since 2009. You couldn't even download FF XIII online when it first launched. So highest launch-day digital sales is another meaningless achievement. It means nothing, it's empty marketing.

We only know that the sales in Japan are poor and that it had an initial worldwide shipment of 5 million. That doesn't mean it's going to sell 5 million copies in a week. Success isn't guaranteed in the West like some people think it is.

Yokai Watch, Monster Hunter and Pokémon saw great success on the 3DS, so don't give me crap about Nintendo needing to support developers with "competent home console hardware". Square-Enix needs to follow the fans and you yourself just admitted they migrated to portable consoles.

Mainline Final Fantasy games would have sold well on the 3DS and they would have been able to release 3 or more mainline entries if they wanted to. We have Yokai Watch 1-3, Pokémon X/Y, Pokémon ORAS and Pokémon Sun/Moon and god knows how many Monster Hunter games on the 3DS. All sold incredibly well. And the development budgets of all these games combined probably doesn't match the development budget of FF XV alone. Wake up to the harsh reality.

We know it's UK launch was below Final Fantasy XIII as well. 

Agreed that Square-Enix should made a 3DS Final Fantasy. It could've had Final Fantasy X tier graphics ... that's good enough. 

Switch though ... Switch will be able to handle just about any style they can throw at it. 



Alkibiádēs said:*

Second of all, digital sales have grown tremendously since 2009. You couldn't even download FF XIII online when it first launched. So highest launch-day digital sales is another meaningless achievement. It means nothing, it's empty marketing.

The heck are you on about. The game has the record for highest day one digital sales in Japan for ANY games (not just its franchise). That you could not download FF XIII back then has nothing to do with anything here. Hint: It sold more than Splatoon, day one, on digital. You follow now?

As for the rest of your tiresome arguing, I'll address it later. Because right now, it's 2am here and I'm going to call it a night. Suffice to say, I'm not really interested in keeping this up anymore than what's been said already. The way some Nintendo fans always see Nintendo as the only reasonable mean to achieve anything for third parties, or how everything should make its way to their console because "I love them better" really puts me off discussing anything with them. 



Hynad said:
Alkibiádēs said:*

Second of all, digital sales have grown tremendously since 2009. You couldn't even download FF XIII online when it first launched. So highest launch-day digital sales is another meaningless achievement. It means nothing, it's empty marketing.

The heck are you on about. The game has the record for highest day one digital sales in Japan for ANY games (not just its franchise). That you could not download FF XIII back then has nothing to do with anything here. Hint: It sold more than Splatoon, day one, on digital. You follow now?

As for the rest of your tiresome arguing, I'll address it later. Because right now, it's 2am here and I'm going to call it a night. Suffice to say, I'm not really interested in keeping this up anymore than what's been said already. The way some Nintendo fans always see Nintendo as the only reasonable mean to achieve anything for third parties, or how everything should make its way to their console becasue "I love them better" really puts me off discussing anything with them. 

Actually the source is very unclear if they were talking about PS4 games only, Square-Enix's games only or all Japanese games. How on earth is Square-Enix supposed to know digital sales of the 3DS and Wii U anyway? Again, marketing trickery, it's so easy to pull off.

I don't even care for FF, it's a mediocre franchise imo, but anyone with a little bit of common sense would see that the 3DS was THE console where Japanese games could thrive. We're not even talking about Splatoon here, that's a once-in-a-generation kind of success.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides