They ll have too.... this is where sony penny pinching and saveing 15-20$ on that UHD blu-ray drive (that most probably wouldnt use) pays off.

To be honest, I think that's what Sony wants. Now we've got the Slim and the Pro in the picture I'm looking at the MS situation slightly differently. I often complained about how MS were devaluing the console business and I think Sony were on it with these two new SKUs. I think Sony left the 4K blu-ray out and cut down on other things because they knew MS were going to go this route towards Christmas. Sony know there is a lot of pressure on the XB1 division to turn a profit (eventually) and they're putting pressure on MS with these prices. They're 'squeezing' them out of this gen. The downside is MS might label Scorpio as a new generation to create a false lead come lauch.

Says who?

Me. I posted it.

Do you have any  basis for it, or just an arbitary assumption by you?

Just an assumption.

Then don't post something that you don't have ground for it...

I can come and say here that Sony is losing tons of money currently... Just an assumption! Would you like it?

Even if the cost to retailers didn't change they would still make money at $250. I think the Slim was designed as a $250 system.

Gribb isn't entirely off-base, though. Sony's financial report showed that the Playstation business is profitable. Microsoft's quarterly report revealed that gaming revenue was down YOY as well as hardware revenue. The latter, especially, had a big drop (down 26% YOY) despite the XBOS's launch.

That's provably wrong though...It's no secret that Xbox has historically had some trouble turning a profit AMD with MS holding information on the division so close to their chest there's no real way to know if that's changed.