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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 06 December 2016

Maybe a Switch?



                  

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caffeinade on 06 December 2016

If a switch does not work, you may have to try some specialized hardware like this.

http://fibertronics-store.com/Fiber-Optic-Switches_c937.htm



Ganoncrotch on 06 December 2016
Hiku said:

Is there any kind of device that can expand a single fiberoptics broadband port on the wall into multiple ports? Like a router, basically. But a router seems to alter the signal. I need a device that purely splits the signal without altering it.

Is there something like that?
I need to hook up a router, which refuses to work unless its directly plugged into the wall. But because of certain issues, I need to find a way to connect more than one router to that fiberoptics port. (Connecting a second router into the first one is not an option.)

What is your end goal here, why can't you just get a router with more ports on it for example, what is the specifics of needing to have 2 routers on one line? not that you can't do that anyway, you can very easily have one router followed by another just with features like DHCP turned off on the second one. Is this a case if you are trying to split a single connection into two exactly down the middle with house mates over bandwidth sharing issues? if so there is better ways of doing this.

 

Edit - you are probably mistaking terms Router and modem here btw, if you are using it at the demark point it is most likely a modem+router you have and not just a straight up Router.



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Ganoncrotch on 06 December 2016
Hiku said:
caffeinade said:

If a switch does not work, you may have to try some specialized hardware like this.

http://fibertronics-store.com/Fiber-Optic-Switches_c937.htm

Fiber switch, eh? Duly noted.

Ganoncrotch said:

What is your end goal here, why can't you just get a router with more ports on it for example, what is the specifics of needing to have 2 routers on one line? not that you can't do that anyway, you can very easily have one router followed by another just with features like DHCP turned off on the second one. Is this a case if you are trying to split a single connection into two exactly down the middle with house mates over bandwidth sharing issues? if so there is better ways of doing this.

 

Edit - you are probably mistaking terms Router and modem here btw, if you are using it at the demark point it is most likely a modem+router you have and not just a straight up Router.

The issue is, there is a router with built in ports for IP telephony that needs to be plugged in so that one of the residents can use the telephone. I'll call it Router 1 for short. Router 1 has an instability issue where it will disconnect you from the internet usually multiple times a day. It seems particularly sensetive to live streaming. Router 1 was sent to us from our IP. I've tried getting a replacement from them, but it was exactly the same, and this is a known issue, they say. There are two people in the household connected to Router 1. And every time Router 1 malfunctions, they have to go out in the hallway to reset it.

What I originally wanted to do, was plug in a Router 2 into the wall, and then have the two residents computers hooked up to Router 2, and also connect Router 1 to one of the ports in Router 2, and simply have it there for the purpose of telephony, and no one has to be plugged into Router 1. However, Router 1 refuses to work when it's plugged into Router 2 that way. It only accepts the braodband into its WAN port if it's directly from the wall. My IP explained this to me, and it had something to do with Router 2 changing the signal before passing it on to Router 1.
Therefor, it seems Router 1 needs to be connected directly to the fiberoptics port in the wall. And there is only one such fiberoptics port available for this.

So to solve the issue of people having to deal with the very unstable Router 1, I thought there may be a way to connect two different routers into the wall. It sounds like a Desktop switch may do that.

As for if I'm mistaking a router for a modem/router, perhaps. This is Router 2: https://www.asus.com/Networking/RTAC66U/
Doesn't say anything about Modem on the specifications page. As for Router 1, I'm not sure.

It should be perfectly possible to do this middle paragraph with the settings on the second Router, but you'll need to go about setting up its IP address and default gateway inside the settings of the router, it's different for each router but normally home routers will try to assign themselves as 192.168.1.1 on a network they make of 255.255.255.0 subnet, when you connect the two without changing any settings there is a good chance they're both trying to take that address and just not going to work without a little setup since they're going to need to be on the same network.

What I'd advice doing is seeing if in Router 1 you could turn off a feature called DHCP, then assign it the IP address 192.168.1.2 by using the DHCP of Router 2 to assign a static address to the MAC address of Router 1, then set the default gateway of Router 1 to be [read final line before doing this step!!] 192.168.1.1 (router 2) and you could potentially have a functional system. Sorry my head is fried atm, it's 4am here and I literally spent the day setting up IP based cameras on a network lol, but yeah if the above stuff seems tough all I can say is you won't really have it any easier if you just buy a switch because you'll need to configure that too first since the Router 1 will still need to have that as it's gateway for all traffic.

 

Oh you'll also need to take the original Default Gateway from Router 1 and give that to Router 2, write that down before you alter it to be 192.168.1.1 you'll want to keep all the things you change written down just in case it doesn't work and you need to change them back. Good luck mate.



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ktay95 on 06 December 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
Maybe a Switch?

 



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 06 December 2016
ktay95 said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Maybe a Switch?

 

Loll



                  

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caffeinade on 07 December 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
ktay95 said:

 

Loll

Nintendo, makes all our dreams come true with the Switch.

It better have an ethernet port on the dock, just one is all I need.



Ganoncrotch on 07 December 2016
Hiku said:
Ganoncrotch said:

It should be perfectly possible to do this middle paragraph with the settings on the second Router, but you'll need to go about setting up its IP address and default gateway inside the settings of the router, it's different for each router but normally home routers will try to assign themselves as 192.168.1.1 on a network they make of 255.255.255.0 subnet, when you connect the two without changing any settings there is a good chance they're both trying to take that address and just not going to work without a little setup since they're going to need to be on the same network.

What I'd advice doing is seeing if in Router 1 you could turn off a feature called DHCP, then assign it the IP address 192.168.1.2 by using the DHCP of Router 2 to assign a static address to the MAC address of Router 1, then set the default gateway of Router 1 to be [read final line before doing this step!!] 192.168.1.1 (router 2) and you could potentially have a functional system. Sorry my head is fried atm, it's 4am here and I literally spent the day setting up IP based cameras on a network lol, but yeah if the above stuff seems tough all I can say is you won't really have it any easier if you just buy a switch because you'll need to configure that too first since the Router 1 will still need to have that as it's gateway for all traffic.

 

Oh you'll also need to take the original Default Gateway from Router 1 and give that to Router 2, write that down before you alter it to be 192.168.1.1 you'll want to keep all the things you change written down just in case it doesn't work and you need to change them back. Good luck mate.

I see. Thanks for the eplanation. I don't understand all of the terms, but I'll see if I can follow the instructions anyway. Hopefully the IP can walk me through it. Or perhaps do it for me. One issue I forgot to mention is that I have no access to Router 1's settings. Due to security risks with that particular router, the IP has chosen to not let customers change its settings. So I'll either have to ask them to do it for me, or I'll have to do it with a switch that I buy.

Wow that is pretty shit, they provide you with hardware with known issues and then don't let you change it for other parts or even alter the settings.

I think it's time for a new ISP (Internet Service Provider) Good luck getting it sorted out though if you can, sounds like they have you between a rock and... another rock.



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fordy on 07 December 2016

A switch's job is to intercept and filter. If you're looking for a multi line broadcast, you're probably looking for a hub.

There should be plenty of PON/GPON solutions for this about, which do not alter signals from the fibre at all.



vivster on 07 December 2016
Hiku said:
caffeinade said:

If a switch does not work, you may have to try some specialized hardware like this.

http://fibertronics-store.com/Fiber-Optic-Switches_c937.htm

Fiber switch, eh? Duly noted.

Ganoncrotch said:

What is your end goal here, why can't you just get a router with more ports on it for example, what is the specifics of needing to have 2 routers on one line? not that you can't do that anyway, you can very easily have one router followed by another just with features like DHCP turned off on the second one. Is this a case if you are trying to split a single connection into two exactly down the middle with house mates over bandwidth sharing issues? if so there is better ways of doing this.

 

Edit - you are probably mistaking terms Router and modem here btw, if you are using it at the demark point it is most likely a modem+router you have and not just a straight up Router.

The issue is, there is a router with built in ports for IP telephony that needs to be plugged in so that one of the residents can use the telephone. I'll call it Router 1 for short. Router 1 has an instability issue where it will disconnect you from the internet usually multiple times a day. It seems particularly sensetive to live streaming. Router 1 was sent to us from our IP. I've tried getting a replacement from them, but it was exactly the same, and this is a known issue, they say. There are two people in the household connected to Router 1. And every time Router 1 malfunctions, they have to go out in the hallway to reset it.

What I originally wanted to do, was plug in a Router 2 into the wall, and then have the two residents computers hooked up to Router 2, and also connect Router 1 to one of the ports in Router 2, and simply have it there for the purpose of telephony, and no one has to be plugged into Router 1. However, Router 1 refuses to work when it's plugged into Router 2 that way. It only accepts the braodband into its WAN port if it's directly from the wall. My IP explained this to me, and it had something to do with Router 2 changing the signal before passing it on to Router 1.
Therefor, it seems Router 1 needs to be connected directly to the fiberoptics port in the wall. And there is only one such fiberoptics port available for this.

So to solve the issue of people having to deal with the very unstable Router 1, I thought there may be a way to connect two different routers into the wall. It sounds like a Desktop switch may do that.

As for if I'm mistaking a router for a modem/router, perhaps. This is Router 2: https://www.asus.com/Networking/RTAC66U/
Doesn't say anything about Modem on the specifications page. As for Router 1, I'm not sure.

Yeah, no. What comes out of the wall is not your regular TCP/IP ethernet. It most likely runs some PPP underneath it.

The router (and the modem within it) translate the signal and authenticate your connection to the provider. Splitting it at the socket means you would authenticate twice to the provider which should not be possible as you're already logged in with one router.

A switch certainly won't do it since the packets should not be formed in a way that the switch could redirect them properly. If anything you'd need a hub, which might bring a whole other bag of problems. 

Then again I don't know how your ISP handles endpoint connection.

You have 3 options here:

Talk to your provider if it's possible at all. Good luck with that.

Get yourself a separate SIP VoIP device that you plug into a new router of your choice and try to configure it. Your provider should have all the data you need for that. Again, good luck getting any kind of useful information from them.

Plug your current router into a new router and set a default route to the new router. With a bit of luck your old router should then just act as a SIP client and send the voice traffic over your new router to the internet. All other devices can be plugged into the new router.



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